In today’s episode, we’re diving into your questions! You’ve sent in some thoughtful ones, and Gabriel and Elizabeth are here to reflect, respond, and wrestle through them together. We don’t pretend to have all the answers, but we’re honored to walk this parenting journey with you—as fellow parents and followers of Jesus.
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Episode 7: Summary & Transcript
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Episode Summary
This episode of the Upside Down Parenting Podcast from Summit Ministries features Elizabeth and Gabriel answering listener questions about Christian parenting. They discuss establishing family routines that foster spiritual growth, including consistent Bible reading with children and implementing technology boundaries. They address challenging situations like parenting when a spouse isn’t a believer or when family members negatively influence a child’s worldview formation, emphasizing prayer, consistency, and grounding children in biblical truth.
Episode Transcript
Elizabeth Stubblefield (00:00):
Hi. Welcome to the Upside Down Parenting Podcast from Summit Ministries. Parenting can feel really overwhelming and disorienting, and there’s a lot to consider. And so we are here to walk alongside that with you and to help encourage you as you raise your kids, to embrace a biblical worldview and to live counter culturally, which a lot of times feels really like you’re living upside down in this culture.
So today, excuse me, my name is Elizabeth. I’m here with my co-host Gabriel. We’ve been with y’all before. Excited to be with you again, and today we’re just going to be diving into some questions. You guys have put in some awesome, thoughtful questions, and we’re not coming to you as the experts with all the answers, but we’re coming to just discuss them together and hopefully encourage you in your journey of parenting. With that, we’ll just jump on into the questions, and Gabriel, you want to kick us off?
Gabriel Pagel (00:51):
Sure, yeah. I’m really excited about this. Elizabeth. There are some really great questions, but I thought we could start with some of these questions that have to do with particular habits and routines, things that we would recommend for families to do in order to cultivate a life in the Spirit, in the life following God. So are there any particular household routines or things that you guys have done in your home that you would really recommend and maybe can explain for us?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (01:27):
Yeah, I think one thing about habits and routines is they can change over time. So when my children were all younger, we had certain rhythms that are different now because I have teenagers and younger ones. And so hear this conversation, even this answer with recognizing your unique situation and ultimately you have to ask the Lord to help you come up with routines that work for your family, which is going to look different for each family. So don’t feel like I have to do all of these things to do it right.
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So with that said, I think one of the most important things is, or two of the most important, one, is to really be in the Word with your children. And so we’ve gotten into those rhythms. We homeschool our children, and so I’ve had some time in the day I could do that, but especially when they were younger and we didn’t have late night sports, we would every night before bed, we would spend time in the word together.
And there’s a lot of great children’s Bible storybooks that really still tell the story and point them to Jesus. And so we would do that and then we would discuss it, and sometimes we can expect to have these huge moments and some nights it’s just like, okay, I’m picking my booger and going to sleep, and you’re like, are they hearing anything? And then other times we’d be going through something difficult as a family, and I had actually just had a miscarriage and one of my kids was processing that.
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And as we had our family devotional time, we were reading about that Saturday between when Jesus died and when he rose again and how they were just grieving and they were scared and they were worried. And one of my children who was really young at the time just kind of filled with tears and they were like, I get it. We don’t know the end of the story yet. They didn’t know the end of the story, and we don’t know how God’s going to work this together, but I see in this how we can trust them.
And so I think the most important thing is just faithfully whatever habits you start, which I think being in the word is number one, but doing that just faithfully because some days it feels like it’s not doing anything, and then other days they just have this moment of revelation.
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But second to that, I think being available and making your space a home where your children can ask you questions without getting shut down quickly. And so that can happen, just you can make that at breakfast, we ask questions or in the evening we say, what’s your high? What’s your low? What’s your buffalo? Or as you go to bed, there’s a lot of different ways you can do it, but just having those rhythms of this is an open place for conversation, and we’re in the Word together.
Because those components like we have with Summit, truth and relationship, we want to create that in our homes where we’re filling their hearts with truth and we’re open hearted towards them with relationships so that they know they can come and ask us anything anytime. So those are probably favorites. Justin Whitmel Earley, I think is how you say his name, has a great book, Habits of the Household, and he gives some practical ideas for just ways you can incorporate different habits in your home.
Gabriel Pagel (04:27):
Right, right. Very cool. I’ll have to check that book out. I don’t know that book. Some things that we do in our home, we do a thing we call family time, which is we spend maybe a half hour together. We do read at least one chapter of the Word and we ask, what’s something you found interesting? What’s something that you had a question about? And then we spent some time in prayer, and that’s really what I want to focus on is we’ve made a habit in our family about praying for almost everything. I love that. Whether it’s good or bad or whatever.
I mean, we make it a habit. We see an accident on the freeway, we pray for the people, we pray for the first responders, we do all of that. We have a booboo or we get hurt, we pray for it, or they come home and they’re excited about what happened at their rehearsal for their play. We thank God for how that was great. And that’s been a really, really important habit for our family. God cares about everything and so we bring it to him. That’s been a really, really important habit for our family.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (05:46):
I love that. That’s good. I think that pairs well with cultivating a habit of gratitude and when you pray and in dependency on the Lord, but even thanking the Lord when I think I love that, it’s just beautiful to model that moment by moment dependency on Jesus. And I think that’s at the heart of what we’re both saying, right?
Because I don’t want to model for my kids just, we go to church on Sundays, but that Jesus is relevant to every part of their life. And I think that’s what holds kids instead of them walking away from the faith, what holds them as like, oh, Jesus is relevant to these situations, to my play, to my sports team, to this difficult situation. He’s here with us and not just isolated to Sundays. So that’s awesome.
Gabriel Pagel (06:31):
Yeah. So good. So good.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (06:34):
So another question kind of flows out of that, but takes it probably to probably a little older, but maybe younger kids, I think younger and younger are getting on social media, but this parent said, how do we raise kids to love truth when lies are everywhere and constantly reinforced through TikTok and other social media? What do you think about that?
Gabriel Pagel (06:54):
Man, that’s such a good question because we do, the world is full of lies and all the different things, and I think even just they brought up social media and TikTok and things like that, but where we live, we have to drive through Las Vegas to get to where my parents live, and there’s billboards the entire way that you’re just like there’s lies all over the place. So one of the things that I’ve tried to do more and we’re hoping it actually becomes a habit is rewarding the kids when they point out something that’s a lie and then rewarding them even a little more if they can point out what the truth really is and why it’s the truth.
So we go by a billboard that says something like what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and they point out, hey, that’s not true, because these certain things can actually come along and it can be easily something like give them a dollar for each time they point out a lie in the world, they see it on tv. And that also helps foster in them just searching for truth that they might not have had before. So that’s been something that’s been fun for us to try and do a little bit.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (08:13):
Don’t let my kids know you pay for that.
Gabriel Pagel (08:15):
Yeah, I know. But we also, we have to saturate them in God’s word and go to God’s word first. So God’s word can give us a framework for filtering the information that we see. I think. Yeah, those are the things that we’ve been doing. What have you been doing?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (08:36):
We play a game called Spot the Lie. That’s why I said don’t tell them that you pay for that. They’ll be like, hey, I heard your podcast. I really need to start that. But I love the idea, but we do, we play Spot the Lie. And so my kids can sometimes and be like, can we just watch the movie? And we’re like, no, we can’t. Or as we’re going, or just things that you’re hearing and we say spot the lie. What’s the lie? Or what did you see this week that was a lie that the world was trying to sell you?
But to the point of TikTok and social media, this is countercultural, but you don’t have to let your kids on TikTok and social media don’t. Not that they’ve never seen it on someone else’s phone or something, but I think it’s really important to evaluate.
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We can’t control our children or what they see. We can’t control the world around us, but we can limit their exposure and how much do I want those lies to be poured in? And so that’s something we’ve just like, you know what? We don’t need to do that right now. So there’s still plenty of lies around them everywhere they go and we do watch movies and we unpack them and stuff.
But I would just say to that point, I would really limit that as an input, especially the younger they are as they get older. Of course there’s like that will start to happen, but hopefully then you’ve had some time to train them to spot the lies and their brains are a little more developed to be able to have a little more guardrails on that.
Gabriel Pagel (10:00):
Yeah, I also think once you’re thinking about letting them have a phone or they maybe are doing more time on computer for homework and different things like that, having contracts about this is what we expect of you and this is what could happen if you don’t follow our expectations and being very clear on what the use of technology is.
And then also, hey, what did you see that was fun today on this? And let them show you some of these things that they thought were fun, can foster a sense of them wanting to be on the phone and letting you be a part of that. And it’s been really something that with our oldest that we’re trying to think through and we’ve heard from a lot of other good parents about that.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (10:52):
Yeah, it’s interesting. I’m here at one of our student conferences. We’re finishing up session two of our conferences in Georgia, and so we don’t have, the students have their phones in the classroom, so when you come here and you’re walking in the classroom, you’ll just be bombarded with just rows of phones. Phones are all over the floor. They dump them there before they go in.
And last session as they were leaving, we were talking about different, our staffers were talking with them, what habits have you picked up that you want to keep? And numerous people said, I want to be on my phone less because phones are addictive. And so it’s really hard to break it. But then having had less contact with them while they were here, we allow them to have phones, but it still was just minimized and there was a lot more community in person. They realized how they felt different and they wanted that.
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I even had one student say to me, they didn’t have their phone this whole time. That was kind of part of it just coming like, hey, be off your phone. And they said I was upset about that coming in, but now I’m thankful because I’ve soaked up my time a lot more than I would have. And so that’s really cool.
And I think if you’re listening to this and you’re like, well, my kids are already on this all the time, then just recognize you can still take a step back and it probably will actually, they won’t like it at first, but then they’ll go, ah, actually this is helpful. And it’s kind of a breath of fresh air to have a little space from that. It is addictive and really it’s hard to put it down.
Gabriel Pagel (12:20):
Yeah, we have a box at our house that when kids come over, they have to put their phone in and if they need to use it to talk to their parents, they have to take the phone out of the box and tell us, we’re going to call my parents or text them and they go outside and they’ve done really well with it. My kids at first thought, oh, that’s not going to work. They’re never going to want to come over, but it’s not the case.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (12:46):
Really that’s cool. They’ve responded well. Wow, awesome.
Gabriel Pagel (12:50):
That’s really cool. Some of these questions are a little bit harder, and so I want to go to some of them that have answers that are a little bit more confusing, but one of them was, do you have any advice for me If my spouse is not a believer, how can I best parent my child? And then it says, on a similar note, what if you just have a close family member who’s not a Christian and they’re being a negative influence on the kids and the worldview formation. What do you think about that?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (13:23):
Well, first of all, I just want to say that’s really tough and there’s not an easy answer to that because day in and day out you’re living with that reality. And so sometimes that’s even a divorce situation and it’s different rules at different homes, and sometimes it’s in the same homes. So first I just want to say we see you and we know how hard that is. I haven’t experienced that, but I’ve talked to a lot of people who are walking through that.
And so obviously we can’t undermine or undervalue prayer and praying for your spouse, praying for the Lord to change their heart and praying for your kids and praying for their protection first. Peter talks about that even in the context of husbands and wives and an unbelieving husband and saying that the wife can win her husband and can preserve her children.
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And the same would be true for a husband. That doesn’t mean it’s not hard or you have to have a deal of very long suffering in that. But I think that still your goal would be to be as consistent as possible and to just pour in the truth, keep pouring in the truth. And it’s hard if it’s like, well, this parent says this, or this person says this because you don’t want to dishonor them.
So I think when you take them to the Word and just say, yeah, we can all have different opinions of how we want to live, but I’m really choosing and when you’re with me in our home, we’re choosing to align up by what the Word says. And what the Lord says is we want to follow Jesus, and we love people who think differently and we respect them, and I care so much for that family member that’s just not the same choices that we make.
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And I know that can be confusing, but this is how I’ve decided to live and to follow Jesus. And I know that’s going to be a lot of conversations to unpack and a lot of time on your knees to pray for that because you might feel like you take a couple steps forward and then someone else just takes those steps backwards. But I just would encourage you that the Lord sees you and to keep being faithful and to be prayerful, and that his word doesn’t return void. And so to just be faithful in that process. Yeah. Do you have anything to add on that?
Gabriel Pagel (15:38):
It’s a hard situation. I haven’t been in exactly that situation, but I have had times where it has felt like the grandparents will allow the kids on technology way earlier in the day than I would have, and I’ll find out different things like that. And we have great grandparents of our kids, but there are struggles in different things like that and being faithful.
And that’s part of the whole thing about having the habits that we’re talking about is if you really cultivate those sorts of habits that we talked about earlier in your kids, your kids will start doing them on their own sometimes, not necessarily right away, but I have seen it with one of my daughters where she prays with people just because, and the goal is to spend enough time and to be faithful enough and pray for them enough and know that God’s in control of them and he loves them more than we do, to trust that he will be able to control and to bring them where he wants them to be.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (16:46):
He can keep them and hold them fast. We pray over student binders the first night here at Summit in our sessions, and my whole family’s a part of that with all of our summer staff. We just spend hours just, we find the names and we just sit there and we pray for the students. And it was so sweet to see, one of my children was just like, Lord, show me how to pray for these students and what that looks like. And she got to one particular student and she sat down to pray and she started weeping over the student and just praying, not knowing fully why. And she just told me, God just gave me a heart to just weep on behalf of the student and to pray for God to work.
Now, that is a testimony to God’s keeping power even in my daughter’s life, because I can pray with her and I can teach her the Word, and I can teach her about prayer, but I can’t teach her that. And to be praying for someone who’s older than her and to be burdened over their sin. And so it just makes you go what the Lord is. He begins a good work and he carries it into completion.
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And so we have to rest in that and rest in God’s faithfulness and be faithful to live as he’s called us to live and to pour into our children, but we have to ask for God to ignite their hearts with faith to own it. And it’s hard when you’re not seeing that, but just persevere.
Gabriel Pagel (18:11):
And God did make mistakes putting him in our family. He knows what he’s doing.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (18:17):
Yeah, their stories may not look as neat as we would like for them to look right there could be a little more complex, but it doesn’t mean that it’s not the story that God’s going to redeem in their life and work for their good and his glory.
Gabriel Pagel (18:32):
Yeah. Great.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (18:33):
So what do you think? Another question, how do we talk to teenagers specifically about when there’s anti-Christian content and it just goes viral? Again, this is kind of a TikTok question, so I think there’s a lot of felt need on this social media influence, and I know we already addressed social media as an influence, but if they’re already there, what would you say? How do you talk to teenagers about anti-Christian content in general?
Gabriel Pagel (18:59):
Yeah. Well, one thing is to keep up on it, which is a little hard. The technology is just moving so fast. There’s a new meme every day, a new viral gif or video or whatever every day. But we need to just be in our kids’ lives and hey, what’s going on? What’s been happening? Ask questions. What do you think about that?
And in those questions, be patient with your kids. I know that if I am always looking for a specific answer, my kids don’t feel like we’re having a real conversation, and they often will just try and find that answer so that we can stop. But I am hoping that we have a real conversation where growth happens and growth takes time, and growth takes sometimes us maybe disagreeing a little bit or finding things out.
I remember a couple, actually just a couple weeks ago at the dinner table, we had a random conversation with my son. Something came up on technology and he said, well, I don’t think that God creates and then holds everything together instead. I think he just created it so good and it sounded very deist. He wound it up and then lets it go and it holds up together on its own. And so we had a long conversation. I said, well, where did you come up with that idea? And he had some thoughts on that. And then I said, what about in Colossians 1 where it says that Jesus holds all things together?
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And he was like, I’m going to have to figure out how that would fit with what I’m thinking. But it was a lot longer conversation, and our dinner conversations aren’t always that deep or whatever, but we’ve created space for that because of patience, and we search for those answers together. What do you think?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (21:06):
I totally agree with that. And I think it goes back to the spotting the lie, but it’s not being so quick to shut them down, but to talk through, even when there’s riots. Well, we’ll talk to the kids like, okay, let me show you this video now. These people don’t even know what they’re rioting. You can say, why are you out here protesting on college campuses? And they’re like, we don’t know. Somebody just invited us. They don’t even really know the issues. And so then we’re like, let’s talk through those issues, and just helping them to unpack it and slowing down enough to think it through with them and let them ask tough questions and engage with them in those questions.
And that could feel overwhelming if you’re like, well, I don’t have the answers to that. I don’t know what to say. And you don’t have to have all the answers, but I would encourage you to, someone has lots of great resources for helping parents to be able to engage in culture. I know oftentimes we have students go through the student conference and the parents are like, wait, they’re having conversations.
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I don’t know how to engage in those. And we’re like, well, here, check out Understanding the Times, check out Understanding the Faith, and read some of these resources together so that you can have these conversations and then say, okay, we’ve read this. Now how do we look in the world and how do we apply this and what’s going on? And so I think it’s good as a person for me to keep reading and learning and growing, and it’s also good for your children for you to be learning and reading and growing with them so that you can help them to engage the culture that is really different than the culture we grew up in. And so, yeah.
Gabriel Pagel (22:44):
Yeah. There’s an author who I think comes through a Summit every once in a while named Matt Anderson, Matthew Anderson, and he has a couple books that are all about giving space for questioning and not necessarily needing quick answers all the time. One of them is called The End of Our Exploring. And I really think that those books were really helpful for me to not have to be like, oh my gosh, I got to get them to that answer right now. And instead, questions are a way that we can grow and they’re a little dangerous, but that danger creates authenticity.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (23:24):
And there was a question about that with what do I do in my child’s doubting? And I think you sort of already harken to that answer. You don’t panic immediately. Pray, pray and keep sharing the truth with them and try to see what’s behind when they’re talking about doubt, help ask questions to help figure out actually triggering that doubt and to lead them back to Jesus or to let them think through that. Sometimes it’s just developmentally, I don’t understand and I’m trying to figure it out, and they don’t see the relevance of Christianity for their circumstances. And you can just in some conversations, help them kind of get there.
Gabriel Pagel (24:06):
And those doubts often have a lot of truth or realness behind them that make it so that it’s attractive. If it wasn’t, if there weren’t some real parts to it, something that grabs on what humans think about and what they feel and all of that, then we wouldn’t be tempted by it and we wouldn’t feel doubt. And so we have to give them space and show those different parts and show how Jesus actually fulfills what they’re longing for better.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (24:40):
Yeah, we’ve definitely had students where they’ll come and they’ll put up all of these intellectual arguments against the truth, and then behind all of that, that was just a smokescreen for what was really going on in their hearts. And once we got to their hearts that were hurting, then all the smokescreen arguments just melted away and they were able to walk in faith. And so sometimes it just takes being long suffering with people and walking through and listening, listening to that and not freaking out immediately.
Gabriel Pagel (25:13):
Someone asked, how can I help my kids build meaningful Christian friendships? And I’ve got to be honest, I’ve had a hard time because that’s not the focus of a lot of kids. And so I am really hoping that as my kids get older, they start to build that a little bit more. But how can we help our kids build meaningful Christian friendships?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (25:40):
Man, it’s tough because you have to have other people who want to do that too. So I think if you’re involved in a church that has other families and kids, you can even just by whether you have a family’s gathering together, that can be a place to help them develop that. Or if that’s not the case, and if you like students and you’re able to say, hey, let me gather some students in my house.
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And we could do a little pool party, or we could have dinner and do a little Bible study, or sometimes it’s almost like creating the space for that, having a little like, hey, can we have a summertime small group? We’ll just meet once a month or once a week or whatever. And creating space for them to even have those conversations where they may not bring them up, and then from there they’re able to grow in that.
But you could do that and there may not be other students who are interested in walking with the Lord or in having that. And so I think you just kind of have to help lay the groundwork and hope that people respond. And if they don’t, then it’s just kind of a mission field for your students to give them a picture of, hey, you can’t have meaningful relationships and walk with Jesus even when you’re young.
Gabriel Pagel (26:54):
Right. Yeah. What you were saying about how sometimes the other kids won’t grab onto this, they won’t want to do Christian things. I’ve found that, like I said a little bit earlier, my daughter has started to just pray for her friends and with her friends a little bit, and they’re not necessarily praying with her all the time and all this stuff, but I’ve started because of that to reorient how I’m thinking about meaningful Christian relationships.
I want them to make Jesus the center, but I also think that it’s good just to have things that they do that are good. And so I’ll say, hey, did you guys do something good for someone else today? Or did you encourage your friends to be kind to someone today? And just seeing how that works has been helpful, and they seem to have grabbed onto that a little bit more.
Hopefully they’re praying, but my kids have asked people to do Bible studies, and we’ve been in that space you described where not very many people were like, yeah, let’s do that, or whatever. But they have instead when they go to rehearsal for their play, yeah, I said a kind thing to my friend, and then my friend the next day said something kind to someone else. Those are great spots.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (28:17):
And even in that, I think it’s teaching our kids to look for the people who no one else is talking to. Look for the person who’s hurting or left out or maybe being made fun of. And it’s not that you’re having a Bible study with them, but just be the person who brings the welcome and who cares, who sticks it for the people who are not being treated well and who is kind to those who are overlooked.
And that can have a powerful impact, even just on setting the culture of, how do we treat others? Which is really, how are we walking out the Christian life? And so probably, especially depending on the age, they’re probably not going to engage in a deep Bible study, but you can still help them to just learn to model what it looks like to follow Jesus and how you treat people and yeah. I love that. Do you have one last question?
Gabriel Pagel (29:03):
Sure. Yeah. This one’s just kind of a good question to end it with. Have there been any particular teachers, pastors, theologians, thinkers, or just certain people that have been influential in your parenting?
Elizabeth Stubblefield (29:18):
Sure. There’s been many through the years. One that comes to my mind is Sally Clarkson. She’s written a lot of things and I homeschool my children, and she’s written a lot on that and on parenting and on helping them to have imagination and be creative and also Shepherding a Child’s Heart. And there’s another book on parenting. The Tripp brothers both have books on parenting that really are a lot about, it’s Ted Tripp and?
Gabriel Pagel (29:40):
Paul David.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (29:41):
Paul David Tripp, yes. But on really shepherding their hearts, not just conforming their behavior. And so those are really helpful for me, I think, especially in the early years. Also for me, it’s been like finding godly mentors who parent well and ask them what they do and learn from their example. And ultimately to really seek the Lord and say, Lord, I’m not wise enough to parent my kids. I need your wisdom.
And to look at the Word and to ask him for the wisdom in those decisions, it’s easy to, it shouldn’t be easy to skip past that, but it is, it’s easy to be like, I need a book to help me and to forget that he promises wisdom to those who ask and to come to him really to say, Lord, I want you to be in charge of every area of my life, and so how do I parent these children? You’ve entrusted to me. Well, but there’s great resources to help as well.
Gabriel Pagel (30:35):
Yeah. Yeah.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (30:36):
What about you?
Gabriel Pagel (30:37):
I think you got to start with the Bible. It’s not a parenting book, but there’s so much wisdom in it for just how life works and it is where we need to start with everything. But I had Paul David Tripp down as well, his book, Parenting, all about how the gospel is what kids need is what we need, and it’s really, really good.
Also, there’s a guy named Gary Thomas, and he has two books. One is Sacred Marriage, which is not specifically about parenting, but if your marriage is solid, it’s really going to be helpful for your parenting as well. And the thesis of the Sacred Marriage book is what if God didn’t give marriage to us to make us happy, but to make us holier. Yeah, it’s a great book. We worship better that way. And then his other book, Sacred Parenting.
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It goes and puts that, and I like those books because yeah, they give us some principles on how to parent and all of that stuff, but it’s also about how it changes us and makes us into a different person and able to, and so it’s really easy to be frustrated with our kids all the time and all of that, and we can sit there, take a step back and say, look, yeah, this is a struggle, but God didn’t give me these kids to not struggle.
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And it changes our hearts and then it changes how we see what they’re doing. And then just some practical things. Whenever I’m thinking about cultural stuff, I go to MAVEN, Aaron and Brett Kunkel and their parenting podcast is fantastic. And then also Axis, the ministry Axis does a lot of great cultural and technological things and has some great discussion booklets and all of that. I really enjoyed access a whole lot, and in fact, we’re going to be doing some stuff access in a little bit. So hopefully we’ll get a link to that interview. So thanks for discussing this stuff with me. I had a great time, Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (32:49):
Yeah, I did too. There’s a lot to discuss.
Gabriel Pagel (32:53):
Yeah, there’s always more, and we’ll probably have more Q and A episodes, or Q and R episodes, in the future. But thanks for joining us on the Upside Down Parenting Podcast. We are truly grateful for what you have trusted us with and the thoughtful questions that you’ve sent in. We want to hopefully help you engage with the real issues your kids are having and the real issues that you are having to parent them, and hopefully we’ve given you some biblical worldview.
If you find this conversation helpful, please take a moment and subscribe and share it with the people. I’m sure there are parents out there that could find this helpful. Thanks again, we can’t wait to continue this conversation. We’ll see you next time.
Elizabeth Stubblefield (33:39):
See you next time.
Dr. Jeff Myers (33:41):
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When Dr. Kathy and I wrote this book, we decided to focus on giving a biblically based approach to helping teach kids the truth about who God made them to be. We show you how you can be compassionate, promote hope and truth, and the process, understand the cultural challenges and how they’re affecting our own kids. What we want is to nurture confident, secure boys and girls to become godly young men and women.
So even if transgender has not been a big part of the conversation in your home, this book is a must read. If you’re committed to discipling children to embrace their design that was given to them by God, you can get your free copy of Raising Gender Confident Kids today at genderconfidentkids.com.