The Dr. Jeff Show Ep. 66 – Tom Basile

Episode 66: Summary & Transcript

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Episode Summary

In this episode, Dr. Jeff interviews Tom Basile, a host on Newsmax and a former Bush White House official. Basile discusses his career trajectory from law and politics to journalism, attributing the shifts in his path to God’s plan. He shares deeply personal reflections on his faith, particularly how the loss of his father at a young age and his political defeat in 2018 strengthened his resolve to speak truth without fear.

The conversation, recorded during Holy Week, explores themes of suffering, forgiveness, and courage through a Christian lens. Basile also recounts his experiences with media bias during the Iraq War and offered practical advice for communicating truth compassionately and effectively in a culture dominated by hostile narratives and fear.

Episode Transcript

Dr. Jeff Myers (00:02):
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Our guest on today’s show served in the Bush White House. He earned the Joint Civilian Service Commendation in 2004 for his work in Iraq. He served as executive director of the New York State Republican Party and currently hosts America right now on Newsmax. Please welcome Tom Basile to the show. Tom Basile, welcome to the Dr. Jeff Show.

Tom Basile (00:53):
Thank you so much, Dr. Jeff. It’s a real privilege to be with you.

Dr. Jeff Myers (00:56):
We met at the National Religious Broadcasters Conference. We didn’t get a chance to do an interview there because you were doing interviews like crazy and I was doing interviews like crazy, but this is better because we have a chance just to talk face-to-face even though we’re in different states right now.

But you are a journalist, a broadcaster. You’re with Newsmax, which we have talked about on the show with different people. And I’ve enjoyed being on different Newsmax programs. It’s really cool to see what you all are doing there to kind of bring, I guess, a conservative viewpoint, but in many ways, just truth. In a time when people’s trust in media is at maybe its lowest ebb ever.

Tom Basile (01:45):
That’s right. Lowest it’s ever been.

Dr. Jeff Myers (01:47):
I’m curious, I want to talk a little bit about your career, how you got into journalism, because a lot of what you’ve done in your career is crisis response. You’ve worked in Washington DC as the communications director for a major federal agency. You’ve done all kinds of things. And there are going to be so many angles to this, but I’d love to just hear how you got into media communications and journalism to begin with. I know a lot of the people who are watching and listening are kind of making career choices right now.

Tom Basile (02:22):
That’s right. Well, one of the things that you learn in life, as you well know, is that you have a plan and that may not necessarily be God’s plan. So I always say to young people that I talk to, if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plan. And when you get to a point as you get older where you kind of feel like I’ve got a pretty good bead on things, and this is the way that my life is going to go.

But God has a plan. And so I’m a lawyer by training and my career then took a dog leg into public affairs and politics when I went to go work for George W. Bush in 2000. And I had this wonderful experience of just being thrust into America to meet people, to see people, to be part of that campaign.

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And then had the great fortune of being able to go to Washington to be part of his administration. So I got into public affairs work and then ultimately I went into public relations work after I left government, but then went back into politics. And I was executive director of the State Republican Party here in New York. Yes, there are Republicans in New York, fewer of them today than when I was, unfortunately, when I was the head of the party.

And then I ran for office and I went into public service because that was where, growing up during the Reagan era, that’s where my heart was. And I was convinced that that’s what I needed to do. That was the way that I was going to serve God and creation was by serving the country and by serving this last best hope of earth. So that was what I had intended on doing.

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And I was an elected local elected official. I ran for higher office in New York. And I was starting to get into media. I had an affiliation with Sirius XM Radio for many years. I hosted a show called Sunday in America. I started writing for Forbes, but I felt like, okay, I need to at least try to run for higher office. And I did. I did in 2018, and anybody who knows anything about politics knows that 2018 was an abysmal year for conservatives, particularly pro-life conservatives, and particularly in New York.

And so after I lost that election, I said, “All right, now I have a choice to make. All right. God’s plan is different for me now. What am I going to do?” And I saw journalism and the work that I do at Newsmax, the work that I was doing at Sirius, I write a column for the Washington Times.

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People can read that on the weekends and on Monday morning when it comes out in the paper, that was the way that I needed to reach people. And Dr. Jeff, I found myself being lured into the type of stuff that you see in politics where people start to compromise their principles a little bit. And I found myself trying to spin some of my positions. And after I lost the election, I was pretty devastated because I wasn’t really sure what was going to happen next.

And I said to myself, never again, I’m going to be who God wants me to be. I’m going to say the things that I know that he wants me to say. And I believe very strongly. We reap what we sow. And when I was with President Bush, I had the opportunity to meet John Paul II at the Vatican. And one of his favorite sayings to young people in particular was, “Be not afraid.” And I said, “I’m not going to be afraid anymore.”

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“I am going to write what I feel like I need to write to be a good servant of God and creation and I’m going to do what I need. I’m going to say what I need to say. I’m going to do what I need to do. ” And ultimately, as I started to do that, I had an opportunity to associate with Newsmax and I’m very, very privileged to be an anchor here. Dr. Jeff, there is no other network, no other network, and I can say this with great confidence, no other major network that has our reach where I can be as pro-faith, pro-life, and pro-freedom as I want to be.

And I will never get a phone call from an executive saying, “Hey, Tom, why don’t you dial that back just a little bit because we’re going to offend somebody.” And that goes back to sort of what you teach at Summit, that there is such a thing as truth and it’s not whatever you and I happen to think that it is.

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It comes from someplace else. And that’s really, my colleagues here are very focused on that, delivering what we believe as truth and being able to be ourselves in the process. And that’s it. And I think that’s incredibly important.

Dr. Jeff Myers (07:56):
That’s so important. And in Newsmax, you’ve got offices in Florida, you’ve got offices in New York, so you’re right in the middle.

Tom Basile (08:05):
And Washington.

Dr. Jeff Myers (08:06):
And Washington, you’ve got right in the middle of wherever the action is, you’re there having a chance to speak up. I so appreciate the network. I felt the same way when I’ve been on as a guest on different shows that I can say what I think. And I appreciate that so much. It’s not that, Newsmax is not, you wouldn’t say this is a Christian company, but you would say it’s a freedom company where you have a chance to say what you think and bring ideas into the discussion that are getting squelched in so many other places.

Tom Basile (08:41):
Yeah. And again, that’s part of the left’s designs in what we’re seeing and that goes not just in the culture war, but we see it permeating through every part of society is their desire to control what people think and to rewrite language, history, and even that concept of truth. We’re seeing that right now with this gender debate.

Dr. Jeff Myers (09:10):
Yes. And I do want to get into that. Before we dive in, it occurs to me that we’re recording this during Holy Week 2022, and so many of our guests on this show have, through their story, underscored the point that suffering is part of the way God advances his work in the world, which is a very uncomfortable thought. A lot of the young adults that we work with say, “Look, I think I made a deal with God. If I’m a good kid, then you owe me a life without suffering.”

Tom Basile (09:50):
Right.

Dr. Jeff Myers (09:51):
But those difficulties are part of God’s design. And we focus on that during this holy week when we contemplate the suffering of Christ on our behalf, that suffering is not something that God finds revolting. It’s something, it’s part of how he grows us as people and expands our opportunities to reach out to a world that is suffering. I’d love for you to just talk about that a little bit from your faith viewpoint.

Tom Basile (10:22):
Sure. Well, I went to Catholic schools and we were a good church going family. And when I was eight, my father got cancer. And when you’re an eight year old and you watch your father die slowly over a two year period, it turns your entire world upside down. And I always credit my faith, my parish, Christian people who were around me who reminded me that I was never alone, no matter how devastated I was. And it took me years to process. I mean, I lost my dad when I was 10, and it took me years to process all of that, but I would very well, in my view, I happened to believe, I could have very easily have become a statistic.

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Had I not had that grounding. And we have so many young people, if you look at the statistics, and look, I grew up, you and I both grew up in an age where we didn’t have the internet, we didn’t have social media. We grew up in a time when there were three networks and not 200 cable channels.

And also this academy, this higher education indoctrination system had not really come fully into its own in terms of its full power, telling kids that God is dead and you’re a simpleton if you happen to believe in Christ, the information management hadn’t really happened when you and I were kids. And so it was easier for me, frankly, looking back to be able to draw that strength from Christ, that sense of grace and peace.

And I think about the kids today, I think about how hard it is and they’ve got a really tough, they’ve got it really hard because not only are they being, everything that they are taught is being challenged and turned upside down, but if they have the courage to poke their head up, and all of the studies show this, particularly on college campuses, that the left tactic of using fear to suppress that, look, we saw this in Nazi Germany, we saw this after the Bolshevik Revolution, we saw this after the communist takeover of China, we’re seeing it here and young people are afraid.

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And so that is a form of suffering and they need to embrace that. Christ expects them to embrace that to push back against these forces. And ultimately we suffer because there’s the letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians, the line that says, “I rebel in my infirmities because I know that when I am weak, that I am strong, because I’m strong because you’re here, because you’re with me.” Yes. Right? Yes.

So those are all things, you mentioned Holy Week, those are basics. Those are basics. They’ve been basics in terms of how to live that roadmap for living and being successful and peaceful and happy and hopeful that has existed for 2000 years. The resurrection changed everything. It changed all of human history. And now we are starting to see that eroded in this country and we need to get back to those basics.

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And I want to just say, I haven’t said it so far in this interview, but what you do at Summit is so incredibly important and it’s more important now than it was yesterday and the day before, and it’ll be even more important tomorrow and you’re saving lives in what you’re doing. And I just want to thank you for that.

Dr. Jeff Myers (14:53):
Wow. I’ve been reflecting on the message that John Paul II often gave, do not fear. Dennis Prager says, “This is the most oft repeated command in all of scripture.” Do not fear. And now in this time, we can recognize that that fear is a form of suffering and it’s through the suffering, not around it, that we become who God’s designed us to be. So we don’t see ourselves as victims, we don’t give into it, rather we allow the Lord to walk us through it. What an incredible lesson.

Tom Basile (15:36):
Absolutely. And the other thing that the left is trying to do too is they’re trying to sort of eviscerate this concept of forgiveness that people can be better tomorrow than they are today. There’s this perpetual victimhood or guilt that they level against one group or another. Have you noticed that? And that is also anti-Christian because the whole New Testament is, yeah, you’re going to screw up, but we move on and we grow and you’re challenged to be better and to do things and to do better. And you’re not judged only by your worst day.

And I see that so much, particularly in the media and that the way the media tries to craft a narrative, and that’s very disappointing, but it also leads to this idea of victimhood and hopelessness that is taking lives in this country every single day in the form of gun violence, drug addiction, and suicide, just those three alone. Young people, the biggest cause of death for young people in this country is now one of those three things.

Dr. Jeff Myers (17:14):
Wow.

Tom Basile (17:16):
And that goes back to the fact that we’ve gotten away from that roadmap. I always tell people, you pick up your Bible and read it. It’s a roadmap for living. A lot of people, they get wrapped up in the whole religion thing. There’s a difference between religion and faith. I happen to be a Roman Catholic, but my faith comes before the institution. And I think that that’s also something that people need to feel comfortable with is building the religion.

If you’re unsure about a denomination or something, or if you’re unsure about whether or not, if you want to be Jewish, if you want to be Christian, whatever it is, the most important thing first is to have a relationship with God and then develop that faith from there. And ultimately you find your spot kind of where you’re comfortable and how you then express that through the institution, the earthly institution.

Dr. Jeff Myers (18:22):
Right. Yes. Yeah. So the body of Christ is significant. Our faith is not just individual, but it’s not less than individual.

Tom Basile (18:30):
Right.

Dr. Jeff Myers (18:31):
Yeah. I had an opportunity last Sunday to speak at a church, a wonderful church out in California on Palm Sunday, and I was asked to speak on, believe in the resurrection. So your points about the resurrection were super important, but one of the things I shared with them is when you think of the last supper, so the day we’re actually recording this is Maundy Thursday. Maundy comes from a Latin word which is a mandate, a commandment. And Jesus said to his disciples, “A new commandment I give you as he washed their feet that you love one another.”

And I think of the last supper, most people think of Michelangelo’s painting, all the disciples are on one side of a very fancy table, but there’s another painting that really draws my imagination and it’s won by Barnadaciena. It shows the disciples around a simpler table and there’s an empty seat right in the forefront of the picture.

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It’s an invitation. “Here, sit down. We’ve been expecting you. Join us.” And as you sit in that seat, you turn to your left and there’s Judas. You’re sitting next to Judas and there’s this moment in the last supper where Jesus says, “One of you will betray me.”

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And all the disciples are distressed. “Lord, is it I?” And he didn’t answer the question at that moment, but the truth is yes, all of them. Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss. Peter betrayed Jesus by denying that he even knew him. All the others just fled into the night.

Tom Basile (20:10):
That’s right.

Dr. Jeff Myers (20:12):
And I realized that there’s such power in recognizing that I too would betray the only one who could save me. But then finding in the work of the risen Christ that there is forgiveness that like you said, we’re not defined by the worst day that we’ve ever had. We’re defined by the best day that Jesus ever had when he rose from the dead.

Tom Basile (20:41):
Yeah, absolutely. And we are recording this on Holy Thursday. And when I think of The Last Supper and I think of society right now, I go back to the washing of the feet, which is really, some Catholic priest will probably take issue with this, but the birth of the Eucharist is what we traditionally think of when we think of Holy Thursday, that commandment, do this in memory of me.

But the idea that we are here to take care of one another and that who believes that they will be first shall be last and who shall be last shall be first. That I think in many respects is equally as powerful, particularly for today’s challenges that we face today and for the hatred, for instance, that you see, particularly young people see on social media for the way that people are vilified by the far left in this country.

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And by the way, folks on the far right can be equally in many cases as intolerant as others on the far left, but this idea of, “Hey, folks, what are we doing here? What are we supposed to be doing? How are we supposed to be helping each other out?” This life is not easy.

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We’re preparing ourselves for the next life, so why would this be simple? And we have a responsibility if we’re going to be elevated human beings to work, to wash each other’s feet. It’s an absolutely phenomenal and phenomenally rare idea in today’s society when you think about it.

Dr. Jeff Myers (22:54):
Yeah. This is so good. I can’t believe I’m having a conversation with the news anchor like this. This is so good. It’s so deep. Thank you. I love it. Tom, I want to kind of turn the corner a little bit and talk about something that, I think, when I think of how do you communicate clearly in the midst of crisis? So much of your expertise has revolved around this and I’m thinking of the young adults we work with who are on university campuses right now and in many ways they’re facing this all of the time.

And I wonder if you could, in fact, let’s start with your time in Baghdad during the Iraq war and you noticed media manipulation, what was happening on the ground and you decided to do something about it and it shaped you, I think, in the way you approach media. I’d like if you could talk about that a little bit. And then from there, we’ll talk about, what do we do in our own lives to communicate clearly in times of crisis?

Tom Basile (24:00):
Sure. So in Iraq, in 2003 and 2004, beyond major combat operations, the Press Corps, all the big name anchors went home and the Press Corps was primarily a lot of people who were trying to make a name for themselves. And the way that you make a name for yourself is by writing something that essentially exposes the Bush administration or the government for lying to people or trying to mislead. And so as somebody who was an advisor to the coalition government, every single thing, it was cynics without any kind of principle. And every single thing that we said was automatically distrusted.

And these folks who were trying to write their ticket to their next really plum posting or maybe get on network, we watched evidence of media bias, intentionally sloppy journalism every single day. And it was very eye-opening. And I think that the Iraq War in many respects was kind of a turning point where we’ve seen media slowly sort of this idea of nonpartisan fact-based journalism just sort of erode right after that, 2003, 2004 time period.

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And I think that’s incredibly unfortunate. A free press is critical to a democracy, it’s critical to a free society and that as an institution needs to be, just like you need to be able to, you need to have some degree of confidence in your government, you also need to have some degree of confidence in the information that you’re getting.

So we would see that. We would see folks who would say, “Well, they’re not going to use us as a source. They’re going to use an unnamed source, or they’re going to go to an unreliable source intentionally, that was because it would just create conflict. It just created that contrarian line that they wanted for their piece. It gave them their headline.” And it was a shame because there were a lot of people over there in my view, and I wrote a book about this.

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It’s called Tough Sell: Fighting the Media War in Iraq. Ambassador John Bolton wrote the forward to the book. And it’s about the great work that was done and the difficulty that the administration had in pushing back against this editorial filter. One of the journalists who actually tried to do the right thing got fired because essentially he was told, “Yeah, we don’t want any good news.” No, no, we don’t want any good news stories. You want to do stories about stuff that’s actually happening, that’s going right? Yeah, we’re not interested in that anymore. And they pulled him home. So that type of manipulation happens.

And it’s only gotten unfortunately, Dr. Jeff, it’s only gotten worse with the advent of social media and big tech censorship and the manipulation of what people see on their phones and on their computers every single day. Even if the story itself is not manipulated, the fact that you’re seeing the story and it’s in your feed is part of the information management that Americans are being subjected to.

Dr. Jeff Myers (27:31):
Tom, as you’re talking about this, I can imagine somebody who’s listening or viewing saying, “Well, if the President of the United States can’t fight back against this, against these lies, how am I going to get the truth out in the middle of all of the lies? If the people who are shaping the narrative are doing so in a negative way, in an untruthful way, what chance is there?” I think a lot of people just give up and say, “You know what? I’m just not going to say anything because it’s not worth the trouble. I will be attacked and my reputation will be ruined and I’ll have no way to get it back because I don’t have near the reach of the people who were against me.”

Tom Basile (28:17):
That’s right. That’s right. The first thing, and this goes back to where this conversation started, Dr. Jeff, the first thing is acknowledging you’ve got somebody on your side who created all of this and you know the truth, so you know the truth and you are armed with that. I say a prayer every day and I pray to God the Father, I pray for the grace of Jesus Christ, but I also pray for the strength and the courage of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit kind of gets left out of the conversation a lot of times. “What is that? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? What is it?”

But he kind of gets left out of the conversation, but he’s the warrior. That’s the warrior spirit. That’s courage and wisdom. That’s the shield against the temptations of the world. That’s the sword against the devil. That’s the Holy Spirit. And in my job, you need that, you need that every day. So I think the first thing is, again, just recognizing that you do have backup. And then the other thing is, don’t lower yourself to the level of the people who are screaming at you.

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And look, Christ, before he set the apostles for Earth, he said, “Now look, there are going to be these folks who you’re going to go to a town and they’re going to disagree with you and they’re going to want to fight.” And he says, “Look,” he says, “You keep pushing what we’re saying is the truth. You keep talking about the truth, but don’t get into fistfights with these people. Don’t get into fist fights. Shake the dust off of your feet and go to the next town.” And we have to continue to keep on going.

So that’s the second piece of it. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Third, you have to keep on going because that’s what we’re here to do. We’re here to make sure that a Christ-centered life is a life that succeeds. It may not be a life that is of somebody who’s rich.

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They may not be famous, but it’s a life that is successful. And that’s all that God wants. God wants us to be good to each other and he wants us to serve, to serve him and to serve each other.That’s all that he cares about. He doesn’t care about how much money you have. So that’s the third piece of it. And then the fourth piece of it is something a little bit more practical. And that is, lead with facts and ask the left to explain their position.

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Oftentimes, one, they can’t do it. And the other thing that I always like to do is agree with them. We can always find some kernel of something that’s a starting point for a conversation. Unless the person’s really evil and they’re insidious and there’s a certain aspect of that, you just can’t deal with it. But for a lot of situations, there is something that you can say, “Hey, you know what? I agree with you on that, but here is X, Y, and Z.”

And you just totally disarm somebody when you do that because they never expect you to behave the way they behave and they never expect you to agree with them on anything, but you’re looking at them as human beings and you’re trying to come to some sort of accord. I just did a monologue on transgenderism. I got some good responses because I tried to be compassionate, which is what Christ would want us to do, but then also talk about biblical truth, then also talk about science and things that are in creation that we know to be true.

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And then of course, the basic tenets of American freedom and fairness. But when you lead with compassion, people don’t expect that, particularly on the far left, who are very angry, oftentimes very angry folks. So those are some of the ways that I would approach it in a short way of describing it.

Dr. Jeff Myers (33:29):
I think that’s so powerful, Tom. It’s recognizing that there is a spiritual reality greater as he who is in you than he who is in the world. And then the point about shaking the dust off the feet, I remember hearing that growing up in church and thinking, “That seems kind of arrogant.” But the truth is there are a few people out there who are really mean and will cut you out of their lives if you say something they disagree with and so forth.

But we’ve done a lot of polling at Summit, not because we’re a polling company, but because we’re trying to understand the cultural moment and it turns out that that’s about five to 8% of the population reliably who are like that, which means 92 to 95% of the population is persuadable. They may disagree with you on different things, but they’re not mean about it.

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And it’s so easy to be in a place where the vile response of a small group of people trying to yell over you or shame you can stop you from communicating truth to the very people who would be open to hearing it if you don’t lose your courage.

Tom Basile (34:48):
Keeping it in perspective is very, very important. I always say this, I say this on the air all the time, that people are smarter than the politicians and the media give them credit for. And even if they cannot sit here and have this conversation the way you and I are having and articulate it, they’ve been blessed with instincts, particularly people or Americans who have an American DNA, sort of an American way of thinking.

And I think that they’re more powerful and they’re more astute and they’re more aligned with a Christ-centered, even if they wouldn’t call it that, sort of a Christ-centered approach to living, take the 10 commandments, then I think that the media wants people to believe. I mean, I interview people all the time who they say, the left would say, “Oh, well, people aren’t going to church anymore.” Okay, maybe that’s true.

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Maybe that’s not. I don’t know. I also know that digital evangelization reaches tens of millions of people in this country every single day, not just on a Sunday. They’re getting spiritual messages now. They’re getting Bible verses. They’re listening to podcasts.

So they want you to think one thing. The left wants you to think one thing, but the reality is oftentimes very, very different. So they want you to feel like you’re alone. They want you to feel like you’re out there on a limb, but you’re really not. Even in a corporeal sense, to say nothing of the fact that you have Christ leaning over your shoulder whispering in your ear.

Dr. Jeff Myers (36:45):
With the fear of young adults that we work with, the number one fear of older adults is government corruption. According to a Chapman University poll, the number one fear of young adults is being lonely, being alone. So I think what you’ve addressed there is huge. What an incredible message for this generation.

Tom Basile (37:07):
Well, this is the, Dr. Jeff, we’re on borrowed time. We’re just borrowing all of this. You and I will be gone. There will be another generation, my children’s generation, your kids’ generation, that will have to carry this forward. And it is a dangerous time. Look at the geopolitics. Look at the changes that we are seeing with the rise of authoritarian, godless authoritarians. And it’s real. And I remember when I was a kid, how alone I used to feel.

And what saved me was this recognition that I wasn’t alone because I had God with me. When I was in Iraq and we were getting mortared or I was concerned, I was in a Blackhawk and I was concerned about my safety, I’d say the prayer of St. Michael and go on and you have to continue to keep going. That’s what God expects us to do.

Dr. Jeff Myers (38:18):
Yeah. Tom, thanks for being on the show today. The great discussion. I’m really grateful for you and look forward to staying in touch.

Tom Basile (38:28):
Thank you so much, Dr. Jeff, and it’s been a real privilege.

Dr. Jeff Myers (38:33):
Thank you to my guest today, Tom Basile, for joining the program. You can find him on Twitter @tom_basile, B-A-S-I-L-E. And you can find him on newsmaxtv.com or on your Newsmax channel on Saturdays at 11:00 AM Eastern Time. Proverbs says, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.” And through interacting wisely with what we hear in the world, we can live boldly and share the principles of freedom that God has given us. Thanks for being part of the show. See you next week.

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