The Dr. Jeff Show Ep. 97 – Terrance Bates

Episode 97: Summary & Transcript

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Episode Summary

In this episode of the Dr. Jeff Show podcast, host Dr. Jeff interviews Terrance Bates, co-anchor of “The American Sunrise” on Real America’s Voice Network, exploring the state of modern journalism and effective communication practices. Bates, who comes from a local journalism background, discusses how journalism has become primarily a business where truth often gets compromised by profit motives and the pressure to churn out content quickly. He emphasizes that respect forms the foundation of good journalism, advocating for pushback that challenges ideas while maintaining dignity and allowing guests to fully express their viewpoints.

Episode Transcript

Dr. Jeff Myers (00:02):
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So today’s guest is somebody who I had loved as a journalist. I do a lot of radio and TV interviews, and this guy, I’ve loved being interviewed by him because he’s tough, he’s fair, he’s interesting, he’s respectful, and so I just thought we got to get him on the show to talk about what kind of journalism this is.

(00:58):
How does somebody like you become a journalist? I hear a lot of bad things as well, so I think it’s going to be a fascinating conversation. How do you communicate the truth in a powerful way, in a respectful way, in a culture like ours, especially in the kind of journalistic climate that we have? So his show is on real America’s Voice Network. He’s a co-anchor, and the show is called The American Sunrise. I encourage you to check it out. I’ve been on that show. Love that show, and the guest’s name. And I’d like you to please welcome to the show Terrance Bates. Terrance Bates, welcome to the Dr. Jeff Show podcast.

Terrance Bates (01:35):
So good to be here. I appreciate you having me.

Dr. Jeff Myers (01:38):
Well, I’m really looking forward to our conversation for a couple reasons, but I want our audience to know, you’re one of my favorite journalists when it comes to doing TV interviews. I love being interviewed by you because you’re tough, you’re fair, you’re interested, you’re interested in making sure that everything is really clear and straightforward for your audience. It feels like you’re the kind of journalist who gives me hope in journalism. So thank you.

Terrance Bates (02:07):
Well, I appreciate it. That truly is a huge statement there, and I take it as a compliment. It’s our job. And so I think if we’re going to do the job, let’s do it right. And I appreciate the tough and fair. All of those things are important, but I always also try to be respectful. To me, that’s the foundation of everything. I think it’s creating a conversation, and the best way to create a conversation is from a place of respect. I think if we start there, the conversation tends to be better and it tends to be most beneficial to the audience.

So respect is, I think, kind of the foundation, how we start, and then we’ll have a conversation. And sometimes having a good conversation that’s truly fruitful requires a little bit of pushback and also some sensitivity to allow someone to truly make their point, whether you agree or not.

Dr. Jeff Myers (02:54):
The term pushback, that’s actually a term that you use when you interview people. You’ll actually give them that warning, say, well, let me push back on that for a minute, which I love because it makes us all think harder. It makes us try to get to the core of what we want to communicate, but it also lets us know, hey, we’re not here just to find some straw man and beat up on it. We really want to get to the truth.

Terrance Bates (03:23):
And you know what? I think an interview is about broadening the marketplace of ideas. And whoever you’re interviewing, your subject, they are the expert. That’s why you’re having them on. Whether you agree or not, they are the expert in whatever subject matter. And so it’s not about debating, it’s not about challenging, it is about pushing back, finding maybe a different perspective or challenging that thought process. But again, even though I don’t even really like using the word challenge, but I would say a respectful challenge.

Dr. Jeff Myers (03:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I think you really modeled that. And we got a few, we just did an interview, I think together last week where you were anchoring somebody else’s show while they were not there that day. And maybe we can post that in our press room too, so everybody can see that. But Terence, this may be a risk, but I want to ask you to comment a little bit on what you see about the integrity of journalism today. Because my compliment to you is kind of a backhanded compliment to so many others in the industry who don’t have those kinds of practices. What do you see when you look around the industry as a whole?

Terrance Bates (04:36):
I always tell people journalism is a business first and foremost, and I am one of those people. I always say I wear Big J on my chest. So for me, while it is a business, it’s also a vocation in my mind. It’s also a public service at its roots. But because people tend to get paid for it, and because it is a big industry, an overarching industry, sometimes the truth gets caught up in business, the truth gets watered down by money. And that’s just the reality. Anybody who tells you otherwise is lying to him or herself, or they’re being naive.

Now, I think it’s incumbent on each of us as journalists to say, okay, well my reputation is more important to me telling the truth, being right, being accurate is most important to me. And so that’s kind of how I go about my job every day, is to make sure that what I’m saying and that what I’m reporting is credible, that it’s accurate, that it’s, and that I’m able to do so in a way that I can attribute the sources that I’m talking about. And again, that’s just fundamental basic journalism. But I think unfortunately in our current day and age, that fundamental, basic journalism has given way to profits.

And the other thing is just because people are reporting news or reporting information doesn’t necessarily make them journalists. And that’s a broader conversation, I think about the state of our world where anyone with a camera can create information or disseminate information to an audience. But just because you have an audience doesn’t mean that you’re doing journalism. That’s a whole nother conversation. We don’t have that much time.

Dr. Jeff Myers (06:18):
Let me ask you a question. I’ve never really been able to quite articulate this before, but the way you’re explaining this is helping me. I’ve been on some shows where, and there’s usually another guest. You got kind of the host and then the other guests. So it’s two against one. And I would say the progressive narrative or the leftist narrative in some cases is actually assumed to be true. And then I feel like I’m on the defensive right from the start, and I feel like I know how to get in there and question the assumptions that are below the questions.

And you mentioned that this is about money, it’s about profits. These journalism companies or businesses that are trying to be profitable, why would they move toward the progressive left if profits are the goal? It seems like that’s not that big of a part of the population.

Terrance Bates (07:21):
I wish I had that answer. I’ll give you a theory. Typically, and particularly nowadays, the left is in power or largely the left is in power. And so in order to have the inside track, in order to have access, you tend to lean towards a specific narrative. The narrative that supports your access will help you gain access in order to remain relevant and profitable. Ultimately, that is my theory.

And here’s the other thing. What tends to happen, and I come out of a world of local journalism, so I’m not telling you what I’ve heard. I’m telling you what I know. You can only report, well, you can’t only report, but you largely report what you’re told. And I’ll just break it down, say to a police department, there’s a situation and police tell you what it is. Well, because it’s an institution, the police department, these are institutions, you trust the institution, their words should be bound because they’re the police department.

(08:27):
Well, oftentimes then you find out, oh, well, just because the police officer said such that wasn’t necessarily accurate or they spun it. And that’s where being a good journalist comes in, not necessarily taking the word of one person, but double sourcing it, finding other sources to corroborate. But in our current industry, particularly when you’re turning things like, literally when everything is on the clock, it’s about just churning out information.

Oftentimes, journalists don’t necessarily take the time, or I’ll even say, have the time to corroborate sources and to really delve deeply into the subject matter they’re covering. And so I think that’s one of the problems, and that’s just how the industry is gone. It’s about churning out information. It’s about churning out content, content, not necessarily focusing exclusively on turning out solid content.

Dr. Jeff Myers (09:19):
Yeah, I wonder, and I’m sure that’s true in mainstream companies, conservative companies, liberal companies. I mean, we were over visiting the Daily Caller Daily Call dc.com and Big News source, and it’s a lot of young people who are honing their skills, and they were wonderful, very respectful, good writers.

And I asked one of them, so how many articles, because I’ve had articles in the Daily Call before, how many articles like that do you have to write? And they’re like, oh, two or three, two or three a week. No, no, no. Two or three every day. Two or three every day that we have to produce. It’s a huge writing schedule. So the point you’re making is really important. You have to trust somebody or make some assumptions about the way you’re going to approach the narrative, or you just can’t get the work done.

Terrance Bates (10:17):
And that’s it. There’s just this requirement for content, the amount of content, and that’s huge these days. And I think that as a result, journalism in general is suffering. I’m not going to tell my age, but I’ve been doing this for quite some time. I remember you turned one story a day, you had the story, you came in at nine o’clock in the morning or whatever the time was, and you worked on that, and you really worked to tell a full and balanced story.

Nowadays, particularly in local television, and I’ll just talk about that, you may be doing two separate stories, and you still have to do what we call, which is basically a third story on something else. And so there’s just not enough time in the day to really fully focus and make sure that you get a full and balanced account of whatever you’re reporting on. And that’s just where the business is. It’s unfortunate, but it is the reality.

Dr. Jeff Myers (11:08):
Well, this is going to be really helpful. I know the people who are watching or listening right now, a lot of people who’ve been through a Summit Ministries two week program, now they’re in their career, parents whose kids came to the Summit Ministries program. They’re mostly Christians, mostly irritated at what they see in the mainstream media, and this helps explain a little bit of the context behind all of that. Okay.

Let me just ask you, Terrance, talk about your show, because the main show that you do, American Sunrise, this is the Morning Show for real America’s voice, and I’ve been on the show. Ed and Karen are great to work with. The only thing is that I want to be where they are physically and their physical, who gets to broadcast their morning show from the beach in Florida.

Terrance Bates (12:06):
Yes, go ahead.

Dr. Jeff Myers (12:09):
Yeah, no, no. But I want you to tell us about the show, and I want you to talk about the network too, because I think this is so interesting how new networks are rising up. You have the legacy ones, obviously ABC, NBC, CBS. Their news segments are so tiny. Now, it might be a 25 minute long show, but it’s actually 12 minutes of commercials and then teasing the rest of the show. And that takes most of the time.

Then you’ve got Fox News and CNN doing news all of the time, but then these new networks that are coming up, news Nation, Newsmax, real America’s voice, and more and more people are tuning in and getting, you can’t assume anymore if you work for CNN that you’re setting the opinions for America, I guess is the way I’d put it.

Terrance Bates (13:08):
And you know what? Again, as I was saying earlier, I’m one of those people. I’ve got a big J on my chest. I really see journalism as a public service, and I take it very seriously as an arc form, as a craft, as a vocation. So when you say you’re not necessarily setting the opinion of the country, well, in my mind, journalism is about setting opinion. I give you context, hopefully I’m able to put perspective to the story of the day.

But I trust our viewers to come up with their own opinion. I trust our viewers to take the information that I’ve given them, the context that I’ve provided, the perspective that I’ve provided, and to make their own decision. It’s not about me creating a decision for someone. Now, unfortunately, again, we’re talking industry, unfortunately, the industry has now moved very much more towards that to where it’s about opinion, it’s about pundits, it’s about creating a narrative.

(14:01):
Now, I’m telling you a story. I’m putting it in context for you. I’m putting it in perspective for you, but I trust you. You’re smart enough. In fact, it’s funny. My mom, always got to trust mom, my mom, who is probably one of my biggest critics, she’ll call, oh, you shouldn’t have said this. I didn’t like your word choice. I’ll say, okay, mom.

And so there was one day and I was anchoring a show, and the consultants had come in and said, well, look, just speak regular everyday English, just the language that you use. Keep it very basic because you just want to make sure that your audience understands everything and that they don’t feel like you’re trying to talk over their heads. So of course, I followed what the consultant said, and so my mom said, I sent you to school for way too long for you to be using this.

(14:48):
You’ve got a vocabulary, use your vocabulary. And so I said, well, mom, this is what the consultant said. She said, I’m not an idiot. I’m one of your viewers. I’m not an idiot. And I want someone who has a nice vocabulary and who challenges me and speaks in a way that I can trust. There’s something to be said about that. Mom is always right.

People are smart enough, people are smart enough, viewers are smart enough. So I don’t have to tell them how to think. I give them perspective. I’ll give them context, tell them what’s going on, give them the facts, and they’ll decide for themselves.

Dr. Jeff Myers (15:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that’s the way the world should work. It seems to me that if you give people the information and the information is openly and freely shared, then people should be able to arrive at the truth. We’re not always going to all get to the exact same place at the exact same time. That’s not what you’re looking for. But man, I appreciate that. This is really refreshing. Hey, did you ever watch back in the day, a firing line with William F. Buckley?

Terrance Bates (15:45):
No, I did not. And here’s probably why. So I’m a military brat. I grew up in Germany. I had German television. I didn’t really have American television. So there are lots of things from the seventies, eighties, and early nineties that I missed. So I have never seen it. No, sorry.

Dr. Jeff Myers (16:02):
Well, I hadn’t seen it. I remember one of my teachers in high school was crazy about it. She talked about it all the time. She was my Latin teacher. And so when I was in college, I was the president of the student government, and the college said, Hey, would you like to have William F. Buckley come to do a taping at your school of this program Firing Line? And William F. Buckley, of course, the founder of National Review Magazine, he kind of sits back in his chair and very, I mean, try to picture a very Patricia looking Yale educated guy.

(16:45):
But he was conservative. He was well-spoken, he was funny. He interviewed people who had a totally different point of view, and they seemed fine with it, and they could make a great show together. Anyway, I just miss that one part of what I think made it great. And by the way, I’m not just saying it was great, as in, oh, this is sort of interesting, must be that 10 or 15 people watched it. No, no, no. It was PBS. It was like an evening show. Millions of people watched every single episode.

But I mentioned it because you mentioned vocabulary. William F. Buckley had this enormous vocabulary. There was never a show where you wouldn’t have to go back and look up something that he had said. What is that word? I don’t want to admit that. I don’t know that. But yeah.

Terrance Bates (17:39):
There’s something to be said about that. I think people want information from smart people. And I’m not necessarily insinuating that I’m smart because I definitely am not. I think I’m informed. I think I’m fairly well read and I’m definitely inquisitive. But I think people want their information from sources that they know have some real context about that information and have done some real investigation and thinking about the topic they’re talking about.

Dr. Jeff Myers (18:07):
What about, I’m just curious about debates because I know some programs have sort of taken the idea that we’re going to get two people from two opposing viewpoints, and then there’s this narrative. So when I was in college coming through, the narrative was sort of this, well, you never want to give voice to the other side, because that’s showing that they have legitimacy.

And by even allowing them to share the platform, you’re giving them a legitimacy that they have not earned. And so when I was in graduate school, and I won’t say what school it was, but they had no interest in bringing speakers of differing viewpoints to campus because they didn’t believe in it.

(18:59):
And I just wonder if we’d gone too far in that direction where people don’t even realize, man, there might be other people out there who disagree with you. Is there a role for that? How do you reclaim that as a journalist?

Terrance Bates (19:15):
So journalistically, I think that really hits to the heart of what you should be doing, what any journalist, journalist of assault should be doing. Really telling your community what you’re doing should be reflective of your community. And it should be about broadening the marketplace of ideas in one’s community. And I always give this example and it’s extreme, but I hope that if in this situation I would respond this way, this might be surprising for you to know, but I’m a black guy, so I would be more than willing to sit down with a white supremacist and do an interview.

(19:54):
Now, do I think those views are legitimate? Personally, no. But as a journalist, I think it is my job to probe to find out where those viewpoints are coming from, to find out why those views exist. And I think it’s fair to question them, but again, from an informed place, not an emotional place from an informed place to question them. And I think if you do that respectfully, hopefully it will broaden the marketplace of ideas. Hopefully it will create understanding amongst the audience and maybe even create understanding between the two people, between the interviewer and the interviewee.

I think life in general is about relationships. And so I’m a firm believer if we’re having a conversation, and again, I don’t like to do interviews, I like to have conversations. But if we’re having a conversation, we’re interviewing however you want to term it. If we’re doing so, as I said from the beginning, from a place of respect, and if I, as the interviewer am entering that conversation with a mind of inquisition, being inquisitive and truly interested in what you have to say and understanding one’s position, even if I disagree with it, then that I think makes for a good interview.

(21:11):
And that’s the fundamental, that’s the heart of journalism. I’m not here to debate you. I’m here to understand you. And yes, push back, question, probe. But this isn’t a debate. Again, as the interviewee, as the source, you are the source, you are the expert in the subject matter. That’s why I asked you on. And so out of respect, I’m going to allow you to speak your piece. That doesn’t mean we’ll agree. That doesn’t mean that in the end you’ll have convinced me, but I’ve given you a forum to speak, and I think that’s the heart of journalism.

Dr. Jeff Myers (21:41):
I’d love to take a few minutes and just talk about two things really. One, I’m just curious, who are some of the people that you’ve talked to that you’ve enjoyed interacting with, who are having that kind of dialogue that you’re talking about, your favorite interviews? Who are some people you would like to interview and why? And then I’m going to ask the final question, which is for the young adults who are here, how to bring out that journalistic impulse with integrity, whether they’re in the journalism field or not.

Terrance Bates (22:18):
Gotcha. So I’m sure there are favorites that I’ve had, but I really try to look at it as each individual interview is my favorite. That moment, that time is a unique time. That person has a unique story, a unique perspective. And so at that moment, my full engagement is with that person. So that person is my favorite. Now, there are obviously interviews that go better than others. There are people that I’ve spoken with over the years who I really have had more chemistry with. And so it really has been a more robust conversation.

One of the people that comes to mind is Andy Biggs. I tend to have him on the show a lot. The congressman from Arizona. I think he’s just an engaging person. I think he’s an honest straight shooter, and I appreciate that. That’s the kind of, I’m going to ask you. The questions don’t BS me, just be honest, be honest, tell it like it is. And I think I’m that kind of guy. I’m going to tell it like it is kind of person. And so I think I appreciate that.

Mark Meadows, former congressman of North Carolina, also a former White House chief of staff to President Trump. He’s always been a good interview. I think he and I have had some great conversations. And again, I think he’s a straight shooter. Who else have I really enjoyed, and I’m trying to think of recently.

(23:42):
Oh, Marsha Blackburn, I interviewed. So I worked in Memphis, Tennessee for a long time, so we’re talking decades ago at this point. And I interviewed her when she was first running for Senate. I remember walking down the street with her as she was campaigning, and that was enjoyable. And in retrospect, it’s enjoyable because I see where she is now and the stature that she enjoys now.

But I remember way back when, and I remember when I could have a conversation with her that wasn’t quite as politicized. And I’m not saying that everything is politicized, but it was grassroots. It was very raw. It was, here’s what I want to do. It was firebrand and now we see a much more seasoned politician. But to look back from when she came to where she is now, I truly appreciate that as well.

Dr. Jeff Myers (24:33):
Yeah, those are great examples. Who would be, some people, you see them or hear them doing other things and think, man, I’d really like to get them on my show. Have a conversation with them.

Terrance Bates (24:46):
Any sitting president, I don’t care if he’s Republican, democrat, independent, any sitting president would love to do that. I always say, I’ve been asked this question before and this is so out of the realm of reality, but Jesus doesn’t get any better than that. And I get people like, what? What’s he talking about?

But seriously, if there was an interview to be had, if there’s the interview to have, that’s it. If I could somehow funnel the spiritual world and get a response and ask questions, that would be the one. I would love to talk to a pope. I think that would be interesting. I have questions. I mean, there would be so many, but I mean those would be like, and I get, well, I talk to Jesus all the time, getting a response orally or something like that will happen. But that would be, talk about change the world, be changing the world.

Dr. Jeff Myers (25:50):
Yeah. Yeah. You could kind of get inside a little bit. What were you thinking and what happened in this situation, that kind of thing. I’ve always thought that if I could interview anybody, I’d go back. And one of these might be a little tough because the guy’s kind of grumpy, but Winston Churchill, and I’d want to interview, I’d want to interview Ronald Reagan.

Terrance Bates (26:15):
Okay. Those are good ones. Yeah.

Dr. Jeff Myers (26:17):
Yeah, those would be fun. Well, I’ve got to just ask you this question because I know a lot of people who are watching and listening, and we’ve had a couple of shows here and there, talking to people who are journalists. If are going to give advice to a young person going into journalism today, what would your advice be? But there’s an asterisk to this question.

Terrance Bates (26:42):
Okay.

Dr. Jeff Myers (26:44):
I want to know, what about that advice applies even if you’re not going to be in journalism to be a good thinker and a good consumer of news?

Terrance Bates (26:56):
So there are a couple of things. First and foremost, tell the truth. It’s as simple as that. Tell the truth. Tell it like it is. But the only way you can tell the truth is if you’ve done your research, you have fact checked what you’re saying, and you are telling the facts as you know them within the context of the story or adding context and perspective to them for your viewers, first and foremost. And that’s pretty easy to do.

(27:26):
The other thing I would say is journalism or reporting on any story is about relationships, and it’s about creating an atmosphere. And so in order to do those things, you have to shut up sometimes and listen, let the other people talk. The story’s not about you, it’s about that person. And that can be a challenge. There seems to be this kind of natural inclination for many of us to just talk and talk and talk, make it about us.

Now, the best thing you can do is just be quiet. Even in those uncomfortable moments where the person you’re interviewing may not be saying anything or they’re thinking instead of trying to jump in and help them, just shut up, be quiet and let them talk. Sometimes those moments are even more powerful than we realize.

(28:14):
And probably the final thing would be sensitive. Be sensitive to the situation. And I think that’s a skill. That’s not something that one can learn. It’s a skill that is just innate. Either you have that in you or you don’t. And I’ve worked with a lot of great journalists who didn’t have that. They were just gruff people. They quite honestly weren’t very nice people, good journalists, smart, but just weren’t very nice. People weren’t very kind. People weren’t compassionate people.

And I think compassion goes a very long way when you’re telling a story. Sometimes compassion fills those gaps that aren’t said. It fills those gaps of information that aren’t said. If you have some compassion, you get what’s being conveyed, you feel what’s being conveyed. And then hopefully you convey that same feeling in your reporting.

Dr. Jeff Myers (29:08):
It occurs to me, at the point, the key points that you’ve made about what makes good journalism, that you listen respectfully, that you push back, that you tell the truth and let the other person talk, and that you express compassion are also the elements of friendship.

Terrance Bates (29:31):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think friendship is so key to life. Friendship truly is essential to one soul. And again, that’s why I try to say, and interviewing is kind of the overarching term we use. It’s the industry term, but I try to have conversations because you speak to your friends and I feel like an audience engaging with an audience is about a relationship. It’s about a friendship. It’s not, oh, I’m up here and you’re down there, you little peons.

I’m talking to you now. It’s about engaging. It’s a back and forth, and hopefully it’s a sharing of information. And I’ve been told that that’s one of the reasons viewers like what I do. And one of the things they appreciated about me is I’m the same guy that you meet in the grocery store that I am on tv. Not going to change. I’m the same guy. And it’s because I think it’s quite honestly made me a better journalist because I’m reporting on the things that are important to you because they’re also important to me.

Dr. Jeff Myers (30:34):
I think what you’ve said is accurate. You come across as a guy I want to trust, I want to listen to, I want to talk to, and who’s a friend, not a pushover. Kind of everything you say is right, kind of friend, but the real kind of friend who wants to really engage with you, man, may your tribe increase in the world of journalism.

Terrance Bates (30:59):
Thank you.

Dr. Jeff Myers (31:00):
It’s been really fun to talk to you.

Terrance Bates (31:03):
I think we will. And again, that’s part of the beauty of journalism, each of us. So I’m just going to end with this. A journalism professor once told me that everything we cover is about perspective. If I look out the window and you look out the window, we’ll see the same thing. But what’s important, what stands out to us will be very different. And that’s what journalism is about. But isn’t that what life is about? Just because we’re looking at the same thing doesn’t mean the same thing stands out to us. And so all I can do is report on what stands out to me, but the context of what both of us see is the same.

Dr. Jeff Myers (31:39):
Yeah. Terrance Bates, thanks so much for being on the show today.

Terrance Bates (31:43):
Thanks for having me. I appreciate you and inviting me.

Dr. Jeff Myers (31:47):
Thank you to my guest today, Terrance Bates, for being on the show. You can access the network that Terrance is part of called Real America’s Voice. His show is called American Sunrise, but you go to America’s Voice News if you click on American Sunrise. You can see how Terrance puts into practice what he was talking about on our program today about being interested, being respectful, pushing back, but doing it in a compassionate way. All of those things that are so essential to how we live life in a society that seems to be more and more fractured.

Well, the apostle Paul told his protege, Timothy, do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. As Christians, we’re always trying to do that. How do we teach the truth? How do we communicate the truth? How do we do it with respect and with gentleness so the people are won over? I hope that you’re able to do that a little bit better this week because of the time we spent with Terrance. I’m Dr. Jeff. Thanks for joining the Dr. Jeff Show podcast this week.

(32:56):
Hey, everybody. The Dr. Jeff Show podcast is part of the Ministry of Summit Ministries. Now we’re in the Summit Ministry Studio, the Mic s Adams Studio here in Manitou Springs, Colorado. This studio was built by people like you, people who gave a few dollars, some who were able to give thousands of dollars, but they built a studio and millions of people are being reached through the work that takes place here.

Let me present you with another opportunity. How would you like to have that kind of a legacy in the life of a young person? This year, you could sponsor a young person to attend one of our Summit Ministries two week programs. Basically, it’s $33 an hour for training a young person, and they’ll receive about 60 hours of training. During those two weeks, you could sponsor an hour or two or three or maybe more, and maybe you’d want to sponsor a young person to attend.

I personally interact with young adults who’ve been through this program and whose lives have been completely changed, some of them, and just one hour of teaching, change the whole course of their lives. Would you help us get young adults trained who are going to be the leaders for the next generation?

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