From Psychic to Saved – The Dr. Jeff Show with Jennifer Nizza

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Episode Summary

This episode of the Dr. Jeff Show features Jennifer Nizza, a former professional psychic who practiced divination for many years before converting to Christianity. Jennifer shares her powerful testimony and recounts her dramatic conversion experience when she cried out to Jesus during a moment of crisis. The conversation highlights the spiritual dangers of new age practices, with Jennifer warning that inviting demonic influences leads to oppression and destruction. Dr. Jeff and Jennifer emphasize the importance of spiritual discernment, especially for Christians encountering new age spirituality.

Episode Transcript

Dr. Jeff Myers (00:02):
Hey everybody. Welcome to the Dr. Jeff Show podcast. Glad to have you back this week with this podcast that’s available on Google Edify, Spotify, liftable, anywhere you get your podcast, please review the show and let friends know that you like it. That’ll help others find out more. Today’s show, just like all of the others, focuses on interviewing people who understand that their worldview changes everything.

My guest today is Jennifer Nizza. She’s written a couple of books about the new age movement, but she used to be a professional psychic. She practiced divination and then she came to faith in Jesus. We’re going to have a wide ranging discussion on the nature of spiritual warfare, what’s actually involved, what the dangers are for our kids, and how to help them. Welcome to the show, Jennifer Nizza. Welcome to the Dr. Jeff Show podcast.

Jennifer Nizza (00:56):
Hi, Dr. Jeff. Thank you for having me.

Dr. Jeff Myers (00:58):
Well, I’m looking forward to our conversation because you are coming to the conversation as someone who for many, many years was involved as a professional psychic. You are deeply involved in the new age movement. You understand a lot about witchcraft, wicca, even the influence of satanism, and we are in Manitou Springs, Colorado recording this.

Jennifer Nizza (01:26):
The Sedona, yeah, the Sedona of Colorado.

Dr. Jeff Myers (01:30):
Sedona of Colorado. If I walk 20 yards downhill, actually I’d have to fall down the hill, but if it’s not very far, just one block, I will find all kinds of psychics, tarot cards, all these different things. Now, our students, when they come for the summer, they’re very discerning about all of this. They recognize that it’s there, and then we teach them how to have conversations with people who have spiritual beliefs, but non-biblical spiritual beliefs. So they actually turn it into an opportunity.

Jennifer Nizza (02:06):
That’s wonderful.

Dr. Jeff Myers (02:06):
But people who are watching the show may not have that background. I’d love for you to, just before the show began, you and I were talking about the influence of witchcraft and wicca, a lot of young people, and so the young people who are watching this, 20 somethings who are watching this, their parents, their grandparents, have a lot of questions about this. Help us set the stage a little bit. What’s this occult spiritual world? What’s happening in this country right now?

Jennifer Nizza (02:37):
What’s happening with the occult is putting your faith and trust in things that would invoke demons. So things like psychic readings, tarot cards, crystals, oh gosh, law of attraction manifesting, and it’s glamorous. It’s being glamorized on TV. Netflix is really pushing it out there with shows like Wednesday, Tyler Henry, the psychic medium, of course, you have Instagram, you have TikTok, and you can get a reading just at the click of a button.

But that’s what the occult is. You’re appealing to and invoking demons unbeknownst to the person many times because they don’t know maybe who Jesus is or they don’t know. They just want to feel better. They want information. They’re curious, and the mystical side is very intriguing. Paranormal activity is very, very appealing, and especially when you want to gratify the flesh.

Dr. Jeff Myers (03:44):
So it’s offering kind of a special knowledge that you can’t have just by thinking it through. Maybe you gain an advantage over other people who know less about that. I can see why that would be appealing to people.

Jennifer Nizza (03:56):
Sure. And just knowing also when you’re feeling that you don’t have a compass without Christ, we don’t have a compass. We don’t have that sense of purpose or identity that Christ offers us. So without Christ, you’re looking for those things. You’re looking for, what am I going to do about this relationship? When am I going to get married? When am I going to have a job?

Also, people that handle or that go through grief, they believe the psychic medium, just like I did, is connecting to a deceased person, your loved departed mom, dad, grandma, what have you, or a spirit guide who is, I believe, the counterfeit Holy Spirit, this demon that’s offering you, that’s pretending to be a helper, to give you wisdom, to give you insight and horoscopes, astrology, numerology. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard about this, but oh, 11, 11, seeing repeating numbers, but people keep going to these things and they’re putting their faith and trust in them to get knowledge to feel better and to find out outcomes for their life.

Dr. Jeff Myers (05:10):
I had a lot of secular friends growing up whose approach to it was, listen, it’s all just silly. If anything, it can be completely naturally explained. A psychic is just a person who’s very good at reading other people’s expressions, things like that. So they kind of dismiss it in that way. But that’s not your view.

Jennifer Nizza (05:33):
Not at all. As a matter of fact, I would call that spiritually ignorant. That’s what I would say to deny that there’s a spiritual realm is massive deception, heavy duty deception, because that’s one of the devil’s tricks. A lot of people in the new age will even tell you. Satan doesn’t exist in the new age. They’ll say that.

So people that are saying that psychics are just artists or scammers, some of them are. Some of them are. There’s no doubt about that. What you’re talking about is something called cold reading. So they’re kind of looking for cues on a person. But a true psychic, a true fortune teller, which has been happening for years, as you probably know from the scriptures, is really divination. It’s really appealing to, and like I said before, invoking cosmic powers that are demons because God condemns it. He says not to do that.

(06:27):
He’s been clear about that from the beginning of his word to the end of his word, not to do that. And when you think about that, this has been going on for ages. We haven’t seen anything new. They were practicing astrology. The witch of Endor was really a medium. There was necromancy fortune telling the fortune teller girl in Acts 16:16 and interpreting omens. It’s real. It’s real, and demons are real. And I don’t mean to sound harsh at all. When I say spiritually ignorant, there’s more than what we see, though. God is real and Satan is real.

Dr. Jeff Myers (07:00):
Let’s go back and talk about your experience as a psychic, how you came to that, what was happening during that time, because that sets the stage for understanding your redemption through Christ and maybe can give a lot of hope to people who are watching or listening who may have family members who are playing around with something that’s very dangerous.

Jennifer Nizza (07:28):
I’m very passionate about this because as we just mentioned before, the youth is very afflicted by witchcraft, and I was a child myself. When the door was open to me, I really believe it was through the circumstances in my home, great home, great mom and dad, but mom was into the paranormal. Her aunt was a psychic medium, and mom was culturally Catholic. So we were raised culturally Catholic. So we would talk about ghosts and activity in the house and hearing things and seeing things. So it was acceptable in my home.

And when I was 13, I had my first tarot card reading, so it was brought right in. The divination was right there, right in my house, and that was when I believe I really gave those demons permission to come into my life because I loved it. I started seeking it out. It’s addictive.

(08:24):
And I didn’t have a relationship with Jesus. I knew about Jesus. I bet you most people do, but I didn’t know Jesus. I didn’t have any faith in him. I didn’t have a relationship with him leaving me very vulnerable spiritually. So I loved it. I just kept going down the rabbit hole of clairvoyance, tarot cards. We got our own tarot cards, my sister and I, and like I said, I just went further down that rabbit hole. And as I was doing that, I was receiving information at age 12. That’s when it started for me in regards to receiving information. I had these little dreams that the events and the dreams came true. And I was like, gee, I wonder, what is that? What does that mean?

And then I had the tarot card reading when I was 13. So now it’s like, wait. So that’s kind of like maybe what happened for me knowing stuff. And so I had tarot cards and I went down the road of numerology, astrology. That wasn’t really my thing. I just started receiving information about people. I could sit there and do automatic writings, just pen and paper, which is channeling, and I would just start channeling. I even did them for my own family. And trust me, I’m not boasting.

(09:46):
This is nothing to boast about. This is I, I thank God every day for saving me out of this because it’s not glamorous. It’s not what it looks like on TV. We don’t go home with those people. And in my life, not that you asked me this, but parallel to all of this was a lot of destruction. And I always warn people, when you give permission to demons in your life, you will suffer the consequences of demonic oppression. They were all around me. Did that answer the question? I could talk forever about this.

Dr. Jeff Myers (10:22):
Yeah, it did answer the question. And I know we’ve got a redemption story that we can tell here, but I want to just establish the groundwork a little bit more. When you would do writings like this for your family, you said you were receiving information. This wasn’t you thinking, I wonder if I can read that person’s mood. It was like information was being downloaded to you.

Jennifer Nizza (10:53):
Well said. Not only was information, and that was through the writings, but I still would see things when I was doing the writings as well. But when I did a psychic mediumship reading, I just sat before a stranger. I had my notebook and pen, but I just started getting information and seeing. And so it wasn’t, oh, you look like you’re having a hard time, or there’s heartbreak in the future for you, or, I see a vacation coming up. It wasn’t that.

(11:21):
No, it was, your mom’s name is Marilyn, and she married whoever, your dad and his dad died in 1937, and you got a tattoo last week. And there was a mistake and it’s things that nobody else could see, but the demons could see. The demons were reporting the information, and it came right through what they looked like, things that they’re interested in. And it was in these readings, what we used to call validations. So there had to be validations.

My own personality was that I would never want to be accused of something, of being a charlatan or something like that. And again, it’s almost painful to talk about because it’s a horrible thing, but the information in my reading, my whole business was word of mouth. I mean, like the demons were spot on because anything they’ve seen, they can report. So that’s what I mean by validation.

So I would tell you something that you can validate, yes, that happened. Yes, that happened just yesterday. Nobody was watching. How did you know that? How did you know my mom, I’m a stranger to you. You know what I’m saying? And downloaded is a great word for it. Downloaded information. There was nothing vague. There was nothing vague.

Dr. Jeff Myers (12:49):
And so these demons would give you this information which you could then share with other people. Then they would say, oh, this for real, this lady has access to the spirit world somehow. But then they would ask, I’m sure they were asking for advice as well. What happened in those situations? How did that work?

Jennifer Nizza (13:13):
So that would be future information. So if they’re, they were asking, what should I do? If it came out in the reading, their husband was cheating, what should I do? Or which job should I take? I would channel the information. And here’s the thing, the answers for the future from the demons. Demons don’t know everything, just like we don’t. But I can make a prediction and have a decent accuracy.

So this is how I try to explain it to people. Demons are far more powerful than we are. They’re not human beings. They’ve been around for ages. We’re not difficult. So they can have a very high percentage of accuracy for future information, but they don’t know for sure. Only God does, this is how I say it. My daughter does something from Monday to Friday, every Monday to Friday for 300 days. The next one, I’m going to predict that she’s going to do that same thing. Make the cup of coffee at 6:00 AM, get ready for this at whatever AM. Right? And I’m just a person.

So imagine that level of accuracy plus demons can manipulate things around us. And the way that we think plant seeds almost to get you to do the thing. Or to see that outcome and lead you away from things, lead you towards things. They’re very powerful and not to be messed with.

Dr. Jeff Myers (14:43):
Well, I remember as I was reading your book, and we’ll give the information to people if they would like to see this, but as I was reading your book, one of the stories was you revealed to a person some very shocking information about her husband.

(14:59):
And you realized as you went through it, if I’m summarizing this accurately, that you weren’t just receiving information from the demons that was accurate. You were receiving a perspective by which you were to communicate to her how to see all of this. In other words, the good outcome for the demons, what they wanted to have happen was that this woman turned into a bitter, suspicious, angry, violent individual.

Jennifer Nizza (15:31):
And of course, lead to the destruction, which would be divorce. And like you said, the paranoia, isolated, depressed, and anxious type of person. And you probably may remember because you read it yesterday, but that woman called me at night, she called me, and I would never usually take calls at night. It was, no office clothes, no more phone calls, and she wanted me to channel the address of the woman that her husband was cheating with. The fact that her husband was cheating came out in the reading.

(16:06):
So she didn’t tell me anything that came right out, how she found out, what she saw, the evidence of it, and that did happen. But of course, we know that with God, there could be restoration, or of course you would handle it in a godly way, but she wanted me to channel for her at like 9, 9:30 at night. This woman’s address what? To kill her to beat her up. Yeah. Very destructive.

Dr. Jeff Myers (16:33):
Wow.

Jennifer Nizza (16:35):
Satan may masquerade as an angel. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to, but he may masquerade as an angel of light, but his agenda is sinister. His agenda is evil. He does not love man, and he does not love God. He makes it look good. Yeah.

Dr. Jeff Myers (16:50):
Yeah. He makes it look good, but the outcome is destruction.

Jennifer Nizza (16:55):
Yeah. That’s right.

Dr. Jeff Myers (16:56):
Yeah. Well, I thought that was a very powerful story because I actually hadn’t thought about that part of it before, that what Satan wants is not only for you to develop your own sense of power, but to hook you into a system where you sense that your own personal power comes from him being in control rather than God being in control of your life.

Jennifer Nizza (17:21):
That’s right. That’s absolutely right.

Dr. Jeff Myers (17:24):
So this went on in your life for many, many years, more than a decade?

Jennifer Nizza (17:29):
Oh, yeah. Well, that was just even the, I mean, I really started doing readings when I was around 15. We had tarot cards, my sister and I, so around 15. So until the very end of my 36th year, I would say that I was doing professional readings for the better part of a decade.

Dr. Jeff Myers (17:50):
Wow. Tell us how you came to the Lord out of that, because it’s easy for me to imagine that if you’re so in, this is your way of making a living. You have a reputation for being good at it. Sure, you’re being tormented along the way, but I could still see how it would be very hard to pull away from it. And then all of the demons that are involved here would have every motivation to keep you away from Jesus as long as possible. That seems like a pretty hopeless situation.

Jennifer Nizza (18:34):
But as we know with Christ, only Jesus could do it only the Holy Spirit. And of course he gets all the glory. At the end of my 36th year, I really came to, I don’t want to just call it like an end of myself moment or second, because it was so much heavier than that. I was completely demonically oppressed.

I had a moment where I really needed help, and I believe that was the Holy Spirit because I wouldn’t have known to cry out to Christ, but that’s what I did. I didn’t know Jesus. I didn’t care about him. I knew the new age, Jesus, the fake one, the love and light, Mr. Hey, do whatever you want, type deal. And that’s why I say it was the Holy Spirit, but I cried out to Jesus Christ. I called on his name in that moment, and I know he showed up. He didn’t roll up in a Rolls-Royce with a Starbucks, but he showed up and gave me peace.

(19:36):
But the thing is, if you go back to what you just said a moment ago, the devil didn’t want to lose me. He didn’t want me out of his grip. And I became spiritually vulnerable because I didn’t really understand what that whole thing meant. What was this experience, what happened? I know that was Jesus. And then I didn’t want to be a psychic anymore, and I didn’t know why. No idea why. Had no idea. And I went through that for the better part, I would say for about 10 months. But the Holy Spirit never, that was it. He was already moving, and he was convicting me, obviously. Now I know that.

(20:18):
Looking back. But I had gone back to my readings just to let you know. And one night, my friend who I met in divination class, Beth, we could say her name now, but I don’t say her name in the book, sorry, Beth. Anyway, Beth came over for dinner and God had saved her first, but she was in divination class with me. She was years prior, and we became very close. I would read her family, her friends, and we became great friends, but I did not know that she was saved. I didn’t know when that happened.

So she just comes over for the dinner, and now we are hearing about Jesus Christ. And I’m thinking, what? And she invites my husband and I to church, and I said, no. I said, no, thank you. I’ll take a pass. I’m good. And he said, yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (21:11):
Your husband did?

Jennifer Nizza (21:12):
He did. Yeah. And he went that Sunday. So she was over on a Tuesday, and he went that Sunday with her. She met him there and he loved it. And he’s like, oh, this was awesome, blah, blah, blah. And then a month later, a whole month later that morning, I woke up and I said, I don’t know why. And I really believe God connected this for me only over the last couple of months, that moment when I didn’t want to be a psychic anymore, but I didn’t know why. And then that morning when I wanted to go to church, but I didn’t know why, sounds to me like the work of the Holy Spirit.

(21:47):
And he led me there, and I went, and it was really weird because it was a Bible-based church. I was used to a Catholic mass. I shouldn’t even say used to it. It’s just what I knew. It’s not like I was a regular attendee. And I went and I thought it was so beautiful though. And singing those lyrics, Jesus saved me.

And in that second, it was a second, I flashed back to the moment. I cried out to him months prior, and now I know the word. A lot of us probably say confirmation. It was confirmation for me, even beyond the word, a word doesn’t even describe. It was Jesus saying, I saved you. I got you. I’m real. I cry every time I tell this. I, somebody who was serving the devil for years and in his grip, Jesus set me free. He saved me. And I’m thinking, okay, wow. And I’m crying in the church now, and I’m like, oh, this is overwhelming, but I feel free. What’s happening?

And I go home, and the first thing the Holy Spirit did was lead me to the word of God. I Google searched. What does the Bible say about psychic mediums? I’m telling you, it wasn’t like, let me think about this. Should I look up my job? Let me take some time. Boom. It was right away. I got home right on Google. And I know that sounds weird, but I didn’t have a Bible on my coffee table.

(23:25):
And I went into that Google, and when I saw what God had to say about divination, like I said before, there’s nothing new under the sun. And particularly Deuteronomy 18:10-12, I mean, he directly condemns it. I mean, he uses the word medium. And I was like, he’s talking to me. He’s talking to me. I called my husband. I said, I have to quit my job because I knew that Jesus set me free. And whatever he said was what I was going to do, and I was going to pick up my cross that day and follow him. And I did. That was nine years ago.

Dr. Jeff Myers (24:01):
Wow. Wow. What an amazing testimony. How did the demons who had been governing your life at that point, did they just leave?

Jennifer Nizza (24:14):
No. No, they didn’t. Well, I should say this just for clarity, I was delivered because I know that can get into a whole conversation, but I was delivered from my bondage to sin into a whole new, as a new creation in Christ. Did I go through some spiritual attack? Yes, I did. Not instantaneously a few weeks in my timing, I never get it quite right, but it was very new. I was a baby, baby believer. I started counseling with my pastor.

So I ended up going into that church, by the way, that became my church. And the pastor there started counseling me, and God really put this all together because the pastor knew about divination. He didn’t shy away from this topic, and he was happy to sit with me. And one week I went in, I don’t even remember, do I tell this story in my book? Sorry guys. I don’t remember. We were talking about my first book. I just did my second one.

Dr. Jeff Myers (25:14):
Okay.

Jennifer Nizza (25:16):
But that wasn’t a shameless plug, I promise. But I’m not saying I won’t do one.

Dr. Jeff Myers (25:22):
We will do it as well. You did tell a story about going into your pastor and he was counseling you.

Jennifer Nizza (25:27):
Okay. Yeah. This was, I can’t say unbelievable after my life, but I went into church and I was so excited to be there. And Pastor Jonathan was saying the sermon that day. So that was the pastor that was counseling me, and I didn’t know anything about how churches worked. So the one guy that had been there, the senior pastor, I just thought he was the pastor of the church. So these other pastors, I didn’t know if they ever did anything. But sure enough, for some reason, pastor Jonathan said the sermon that Sunday. So I’m like, oh, okay, that’s cool.

And I’m sitting there and as I’m sitting there, the demons start giving me, it’s the truth. That’s who they are. Start giving me information, psychic information about Pastor Jonathan. Now, I just want to put something out there. Remember Pastor Jonathan didn’t sign up for a reading, so it wasn’t like we could say the Holy Spirit didn’t protect him or anything like that. That’s not particularly true. Nobody signed up for this. He wasn’t volunteering to be in a room with a medium. He wasn’t agreeing to anything. You know what I’m saying?

Dr. Jeff Myers (26:35):
Yeah.

Jennifer Nizza (26:35):
So I mean, it was an attack. It was an attack on me. And to try to get to him as well, maybe to get him to stop working with me, I don’t know. But I was trembling. I really was, because I was a baby believer. I thought it was just done. I didn’t know anything about the armor of God and spiritual attacks and things like that.

So that Tuesday came about, so that was Sunday. So Tuesday came and I was going for the counseling sessions on Tuesdays. And honestly, I was afraid to tell him. I was really afraid to tell him. And I thank God that the Holy Spirit gave me the courage and nudged me to do it, otherwise I would’ve been left isolated with that, and that could have been really bad for me. And I told him, and he said, okay, you can tell me what was said, what they told you, but we’re not going to give the devil any glory or whatever.

(27:32):
So I’m like, yeah, okay. And I told him, and he said, I’m not going to lie. That hit a nerve. That’s what he said. It hit a nerve, but it’s not the whole thing. So what they do is they give you a little bit of truth. They twist up some of the truth and they mix in lies with it. And so we kind of went through that together and he was able to help me in regards to the Bible with the word of God, with praying and the armor of God.

And I have to say, I believe that was the last time that ever happened. I mean, I’ve gone through spiritual attacks. I mean, I charge at the enemy’s kingdom now. That’s what I do. So I think it’s par for the course, but I don’t get psychic. They’re not attacking me that way anymore. Thank God.

Dr. Jeff Myers (28:18):
Yeah. Thank God. Jennifer, as we draw the time we have together to a close, I’m thinking of families who might have a child who’s looking into wicca. That’s very, very common, I would say, especially with young women. I don’t know. Half of the young women I’ve met have looked into this. If they’re willing to talk about it, they’ve experienced it or they have a friend who’s looked into it, but it’s not like they’ve never heard of it. They know something about it. Popular. Yeah. Yeah, it’s very popular. So you’ve got a parent maybe. How do they bring about the conversation with their child about this and get them to take spiritual warfare seriously?

Jennifer Nizza (29:10):
Wow. That wicca, especially for young ladies, I mean, they’re probably looking to these goddesses and looking for this feminine source of energy to put their faith and trust in instead of resting in the love of Christ. I would encourage parents first to pray before you say anything, because of course, God is the authority and he will help the Christian parent. That’s who we’re addressing, the Christian parent.

Please pray before you say anything. And when you approach your kids with love like Jesus with truth, grace, and truth, tell them the truth. Don’t be afraid. We don’t have to. Oh gosh, we don’t have to. What’s the expression? Oh gosh, I’m sorry. I am old. When you kind of whitewash something, like when you try and dress something up, you don’t have to do that. Just tell the truth. God is real. He loves you.

(30:12):
What you are looking into this wicca or this witchcraft, it’s not going to give you what you really need. It can’t because it’s demonic, and tell them God is real, but the devil is real. These little gods and goddesses of the pagan, wicker religion, that’s idolatry. That’s what it is. It’s idolatry. God said, you could show them Exodus 23. Don’t beat them over the head with the Bible.

But say, hey, listen, there’s lots of nice people who used to be into this stuff. Would it be okay if I send you a video or sent you people like me, Doreen Virtue? There are many people like us that God has saved. Maybe you can appeal to your child that way or your teenager that way, everybody is different. So I hope that helps and pray without ceasing. People were praying for me. People were praying for me. And sometimes you’re the one who plants the seed.

(31:10):
And you know what? Actually you also don’t have to have those things in your home. I’ve dealt with that recently with some of my younger sisters in Christ who, their teenagers, they were having that show Stranger Things, which is definitely paranormal or so I didn’t watch it, but witchcraft, and they have these posters on their wall and they have all these demonic things for witchcraft. That’s still your home. They’re not paying the mortgage. I hope that doesn’t sound abrasive or too bold. I’m a 46-year-old Italian Christian mom.

Now, okay, this is what, but you don’t have to have it in there because those things will open the doors too. And sometimes the teenagers have younger siblings, and you don’t want them exposed to that either. Nevermind that you don’t want demons in your home. So don’t be afraid to confront your kids. You’re their parent, not their friend. You’re their parent. And God gave us a great responsibility. We all mess up.

Dr. Jeff Myers (32:09):
Yeah. Well, that’s really good to hear that. That’s a very hard thing for parents. You do want to be friends with your kids. You do want to think that you’re buddies, but the truth is they may not have anybody else in their life who understands the spiritual realm and is willing to fight for them in that realm and protect them.

Jennifer Nizza (32:31):
That’s right. And parents are really, especially now in our culture, if your kids are in public school, they’re coming up against that because kids are coming to school with tarot cards. I mean, they’re going to five below and grabbing a deck of tarot cards. They can get astrology books for kids. If those kids have an allowance, they can spend it.

If they’re going to these stores, Barnes and Noble, and then they’re bringing it into school or they’re bringing it home crystals, they’re really, look, these kids live in a world now with so much anxiety and depression and they’re seeking, but yeah, you’ve got it. You have a lot. And I’m praying. I’m praying for parents. My daughter is old now. She’s not old, but she’s almost 22. I’m out of that younger.

(33:13):
And I’m still, trust me, I still have to have conversations with her about things, but I’m praying for the parents out there because I know they’re up against a lot. And that discord and that strife is what the enemy wants between you and your child. Don’t. What does the Bible say? Stand firm. Stand firm. Ephesians 6:10-18, please read that. The armor of God, because we don’t fight against flesh and blood. You’re not at war with your daughter or your son. You’re at war with the demons who are trying to influence them and get them away from Christ.

Dr. Jeff Myers (33:46):
Yeah. Well, your story reveals what’s happening in the spiritual realm through your life experiences, and then how you came to faith in Jesus. I’m really thankful for your taking time to tell it. But it is important to understand from a biblical perspective, this sounds completely crazy to people who don’t know Jesus, but there is a spiritual realm. It’s real, that God is real. Jesus is real. The Holy Spirit is real. Heaven and Howell are real, and the demonic world is real, and there is victory over it, but it’s not something to be taken lightly or made fun of or played with.

Jennifer Nizza (34:28):
That’s right. That’s right. And the victories in Christ. Don’t let the devil steal your joy. I always say Satan can’t steal your soul when you’re a Christian, but he wants to steal your joy. He’s a thief and he’s a murderer and he’s a destroyer. Don’t let that you don’t have victory in Christ.

Dr. Jeff Myers (34:45):
Yeah, that’s right. There’s a very old poem by John Milton called Paradise Lost from England back long, long time ago, and in the poem, it’s really kind of Satan’s perspective, and the demons are talking with him about this question of, well, what do we do if God brings good out of evil? And Satan says, don’t forget, our whole mission is to make even the good, somehow evil, that we want to try to corrupt it so that we can continue to bring evil, even when God takes evil and turns it into good. It’s really a good warning for people who recognize English literature but haven’t put a lot of stake in the Bible.

It’s a shocking thing to read that there is someone out there who even wants to take God’s redemptive acts and somehow twist them in your mind to make them come across as wicked or a power grab by a jealous God or whatever it would happen to be. So we’re always in. That’s, yeah, we’re always in spiritual warfare, but we know the one who gives victory. Thanks, Jennifer, for your time today. I really appreciate it.

Jennifer Nizza (36:05):
Thank you for having me. God bless you.

Dr. Jeff Myers (36:08):
Thanks to my guest today, Jennifer Nizza, for coming on the show to talk about what is a very difficult subject in our time. There’s a lot of spiritual influence. A lot of it is really harmful, so we need to be very discerning, very careful. Scripture tells us to not have anything to do with the deeds of darkness.

If you want to know more about Jennifer’s work and how you might be helped to by it, there are a couple of things I wanted to draw your attention to. Jennifer’s website is called expsychicsaved.com, expsychicsaved.com. There’s also an ex psychic saved podcast on the Edifi platform and a new book that Jennifer has written that goes into quite a bit of detail about the nature of the new age movement, and it’s called Out of the New Age and Into the Truth. It’s a great title for a book, Out of the New Age and Into the Truth by Jennifer Nizza. That’s spelled N-I-Z-Z-A. Thanks for joining this episode, and I look forward to seeing you next week.

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