The Dr. Jeff Show Ep. 72 – Sara Barratt

Episode 72: Summary & Transcript

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Episode Summary

In this episode of the Dr. Jeff Show, host Dr. Jeff Myers interviews Sara Barratt, a young author who has written a new book called Stand Up Stand Strong: A Call to Bold Faith in a Confused Culture. The main points discussed center on the challenges facing young people today, particularly around issues of truth, identity, and cultural confusion. Barratt emphasizes that her core passion is glorifying God and pointing people to his truth.

The conversation covers several key topics from Barratt’s book, with identity, sexual orientation, and gender being the most frequently discussed issues she receives feedback about. Barratt also explains her writing process and provides advice for aspiring authors, emphasizing the importance of having passion for the topic.

Episode Transcript

Ryan Dobson (00:00):
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Dr. Jeff Myers (00:40):
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Today, I interview a young author who has already contributed to significant publications, including the Gospel Coalition, Crosswalk, and Desiring God. She’s written a new book called Stand Up Stand Strong: A Call to Bold Faith in a Confused Culture. This is going to be an amazing conversation because Sara understands what’s going on with her generation. She knows what the challenges are and she knows how to encourage people to embrace a relationship with Jesus Christ. So please welcome Sara Barratt to the show.

Sara Barratt (01:36):
Oh, thank you so much for having me. I’m just so excited and grateful to be here with you.

Dr. Jeff Myers (01:41):
I’ve been looking forward to this conversation for a long time, especially because your new book, Stand Up Stand Strong, has had such an influence on some of the young adults that I work with. And I had an opportunity to review it at Baker Books, we share that publisher in common. I’m going to be a Baker Books author coming out in October with a new book called True Changes Everything. So anyway, it’s fun to connect with a fellow author and I’m super excited about this book and just meeting you. So gosh, thanks for coming on the show.

Sara Barratt (02:15):
Oh, well, I am so thrilled to be on the show. I was so grateful for your really gracious endorsement of Stand Up Stand Strong and just your support. It’s meant so much to me. So thank you so much.

Dr. Jeff Myers (02:29):
Well, you’ve had an exciting time in the last few weeks getting to talk about the book on television and all different kinds of places. Tell us a little bit about you. How did you decide to become an author? What’s your core passion, your core life message, not just the message of this book, but what do you sense that you exist to do?

Sara Barratt (02:56):
Yes. Well, actually, to be honest, being a writer was never my plan. It was never my childhood dream. And that might sound strange because I wrote my first book when I was 18, so still very young. But it was really something that God led me to so clearly. When I was 16 was when I really began writing more seriously. I’d always had a heart for discipleship and youth ministry, but it wasn’t until I was 16 years old that I actually began thinking of it in terms of writing.

So I had written an article and submitted it to therevolution.com, which I’m now privileged to be the editor-in-chief of. And I had no idea that they would accept it. I thought it was a crazy idea, but they did to my shock. And after that, I just could not get enough of writing. Actually seeing my peers reading and responding to what I had shared, the things that God was teaching me was so exciting.

(04:01):
It was so encouraging to me. And after that, one thing led to another article after article after article, just really helped to hone my writing skills. And from there, a book idea came, first book, and then my second book that was just released. But in everything that I write and not just in my writing, but in my speaking and just in my daily life and interactions, that one core thing that drives me, and it might sound just simple or cliche, but it’s really just the glory of God. That is the goal for all of us as Christians, as followers of Jesus.

And I just want to glorify God in all that I do. And I want to point people to his truth. I feel like truth today has been so, it’s been relegated to this realm of this objective, and I see that happening so much in the church.

(04:59):
And so glorifying God and pointing people to his truth, pointing people to the word of God, to that absolute truth of scripture, that is my heart. That’s the thing that I always go back to in everything that I write and do. I just want to point people to truth because we need that truth in this day and age so desperately.

Dr. Jeff Myers (05:23):
I was visiting recently with the founder of Summit Ministries, David Noble, who’s been retired for 11 years because I’ve been president for 11 years, so I can count. I can count. But I asked him, “What message would you really want me to communicate to the young adults who are at summit ministry sessions this summer?” And he said, “The central question is whether you will stand for truth.” And then he paused and he said, “It’s the most important thing to stand for.” So that was so beautiful.

Sara Barratt (05:49):
Absolutely. That is so, so true and so beautiful. And really, truth is one of the most important things that we need to understand. If we’re going to stand for anything, we need to understand that it’s true and we need to know what truth is. I love that so much.

Dr. Jeff Myers (06:06):
Yeah. I wonder, Sarah, one thing I loved about your book is that there are a lot of people who speak down from another generation to the young generation. This is what you should do or this is the direction you should go. And in a way, we need that counsel. There’s wisdom in having many counselors. It’s the passing of the baton from one generation to the next.

But you’re writing to your generation, encouraging them to stand up and stand strong in a time where frankly, a lot of people are terrified to say there is such a thing as truth. And if they do believe it, they don’t want to stand for it so as not to offend anyone or because they fear being ashamed. How do you even make that case to those who are in your audience?

Sara Barratt (06:59):
Well, really, it’s a difficult case to make in this day and age where the idea of truth has really been pushed aside for personal preferences and opinions. I feel like in times past, whenever we would discuss Christianity or making the claims for defending the faith, you began with those things. You began with, “These are the facts.” But it was assumed that the truth was already known, that truth existed.

So really now though, we have to take a step back and begin with, truth does exist. There is a moral authority. We call that moral authority God and he does exist and he has the right to impose these moral absolutes because he is God, he is ruler, he is sovereign. And so taking that step back and just laying that groundwork, that truth actually does exist because God exists. But really our culture, since our culture has made even the existence of God, this subjective truth that, okay, believe in God if you want to, you don’t have to believe in him if you don’t want to.

(08:09):
Then it’s made our case for truth even more difficult because everything else has been relegated to the realm of this objective. So just laying that foundation that God exists, he is the moral ruler of the universe and that his ways, his truth, it does exist. It is real. That’s where we have to start in communicating that by showing that the word of God is absolute truth, that it is possible to know truth, not in its entirety. We will never know truth the way that God understands truth because we don’t have the mind of God, but he has made a way for us to know his truth through his word. We’re continually learning, we’re continually growing, but it is possible.

Dr. Jeff Myers (08:56):
Yeah. So it’s not that you’re trying to know truth exhaustively, but you can know it truly.

Sara Barratt (09:02):
Yes, exactly.

Dr. Jeff Myers (09:04):
Something I’ve observed with the students that we work with at Summit Ministries is they’re very eager, they’re wonderful and fun to be with and they’re super inquisitive. Some of their questions, I was just coming back from lunch just trying to scramble back here to do the podcast and thinking, “I got to leave the conversation, but I don’t want to, but I’ve got something else I promise to do.” But I’ve noticed this rise of feelings of anxiety and depression even as the belief in truth plummets. And I wonder if there is a connection or if it’s just sort of coincidental. How do you look at that?

Sara Barratt (09:42):
No, I absolutely do believe that there is a connection there because when you pull truth out, you pull out your foundation, you pull out clarity, you don’t have anything left to stand upon. And I always go back to when I talk about this, just the parable that Jesus told of the man that built his house on the sand, the winds came and it beat on that house and it fell because he wasn’t built on a firm foundation.

And so in many ways, we are doing the exact same thing when we don’t have truth. We are building our houses, our lives on a very shaky and unstable foundation. And so when we don’t have that clarity, when we don’t have that foundation, it leaves us so susceptible to anxiety, to depression, to feeling like we are not secure or safe in this world because what foundation do we have?

(10:35):
What assurance do we have of something bigger than ourselves? It’s kind of the whole principle that when you have boundaries, it’s a little safer. Like children, when they have boundaries, they will reach the edge of the boundary. They’ll play in the entire yard if there’s a fence. But if there’s not, then you stay in the middle, you stay where it’s safe. So those boundaries, the boundaries of truth and moral absolutes, they provide more liberty and provide more freedom for us.

But when we don’t have that, it leaves us so susceptible to that skyrocketing anxiety and depression. And I’ve noticed the exact same thing that it is rising in this generation of young people. It’s rising so strongly, so prevalently. And there are so many other factors as well, but I would definitely say that there is a correlation there with the fact that we don’t have that foundation of truth anymore.

Dr. Jeff Myers (11:28):
Yeah. Yeah. It sounds comforting on the one hand for somebody to say, “Well, what feels true to you? You’re the center of your reality. You get to be in charge of your life.” But then you think on the other hand, “But I don’t know where I am.” How am I supposed to, exactly? Where am I going? Am I even going anyplace? How would I know if I’m going someplace if I’m the measure?

Sara Barratt (11:52):
Yes. Yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (11:54):
It’s a tough spot to be. Well, in your book, you’re really encouraging people to, well, I love the title. It’s straightforward and simple. I love it. Stand Up, Stand Strong. And let’s talk a little bit about that. I love the way in the book you tackle so many issues that young adults are asking about these days, and you’re pointing them back just as you said earlier, to God’s glory, to the truth of scripture, and then letting that be the guide for helping people think through all of these issues.

I’d love for you to just take, let’s just talk through some of them, but let’s start with the one you’ve gotten the most response to. And I don’t know what it is. I’m just throwing it out there, but I know that as you’ve written the book now, you do a lot, you’re involved in social media, you’re very responsive to your book fans and to the people who follow you. So what’s the biggest thing that people are saying, “That one I’ve got a question about.”

Sara Barratt (12:57):
Yes. Well, I would say that there’s two that are kind of tied.

Dr. Jeff Myers (13:01):
Okay. Let’s talk about both.

Sara Barratt (13:03):
Yeah. The first would be identity. Who are we? It really comes all down to that foundation of identity. And then the second that I’ve heard so much, I’ve received so many messages about Facebook, Instagram comments, and that’s sexual orientation. And you could tie on gender. So I guess technically that would be three of the chapters of the book, identity, sexual orientation, and gender. They’re all very, very closely connected though.

And so I’ve especially heard from so many parents who have read the book or have heard an interview or something and they’re wondering, my young teen is questioning her beliefs about sexuality or she believes that she’s a lesbian or whatever the case may be. And so the parents are really wondering and struggling with, how do I approach this? How do I navigate this? How do I share what is true about gender and sexuality without being judgmental or condemning? How do I approach that conversation? So those are the three that have really stood out the most as I’ve received early feedback just in these last few weeks after release.

Dr. Jeff Myers (14:22):
Yeah. I’m not surprised at all. I can completely see how that’s the case. And I appreciate the way you said that they’re actually interrelated because if you’re struggling with your identity overall, then you probably will struggle with your gender identity because your sexuality is part of who you are designed to be.

But let’s talk about identity first. When young adults ask this identity question, are they kind of compelled to root their identity in something that they see happening in the culture or they just feel lost or they feel that they don’t have a sense of meaning? What’s the real struggle there?

Sara Barratt (15:07):
Well, as a society and especially as a society of teenagers, we’re very rootless. We don’t have, like we were just talking about, we don’t have a foundation because we’ve pulled out everything that’s objective. And so we are left really floundering with these questions of who am I? Do I matter? Am I loved? Am I purposeful? Does my existence count for anything?

And so what the real struggle is, and social media plays a part in this as well, the comparison of everyone else online, thinking everyone else has the perfect life, or everyone else looks better or acts better than we do. And so we’re just a very rootless society, a really rootless generation of teens when we don’t have a foundation of there is a God who created me perfectly in his image, who loves me, absolutely, who died to save me. When we don’t have that foundation, we are left really floundering with questions of who we are.

(16:12):
If we don’t know who God is, we will never know who we are. And so those are the biggest issues I would say. And there are so many subsets of that, subsets of body image, subsets of just other facets of identity. But it really comes down to not having that foundation of knowing who God is, which really informs everything about who we are.

Dr. Jeff Myers (16:41):
That’s amazing. I can see where that leads somebody into, okay, if I have a curated life online and people respond to that, then I guess I am who I present myself to be, but the truth is I know that I’m not who I present myself to be. Is that where the core struggle is?

Sara Barratt (17:07):
In a way, yes. That would kind of be like an imposter syndrome or we all feel like we’re a fraud because we don’t measure up to our perfectly curated lives. I mean, who can? Who can? But yes, yes. That comparison, comparing between our real lives and our online lives and everyone else’s online life and thinking that they have it together, we don’t, or at least we look like we do, that does create such a struggle for us in our pursuit of a solid foundation of identity.

Dr. Jeff Myers (17:44):
You could also begin to feel that the you that you present online and people respond to it, that somehow affirms it. So let’s say somebody’s struggling with their gender identity and they present something online and say, “I’m struggling with this.” The first few people who respond really shaped that person’s future actions, and they could be completely random people.

Sara Barratt (18:13):
Yeah, absolutely. There are so many voices on social media, whether or not we put it out there, we’re still receiving input all the time on whether or not this is true or right or good. And especially if you say, if you put something out there, if you put out a struggle or if you come out on social media in the case of gender or sexuality, that affirmation, yes, it will either tear it down or build it up. So many voices, so many things coming at us from all angles that do affect that understanding of who we are.

Dr. Jeff Myers (18:58):
Talk a little bit about, because you mentioned a lot of, it’s a lot of parents who are reaching out saying, “I’m really concerned. My daughter thinks that she’s a lesbian or my child is confused about gender identity.” It’s super hard to respond to that in social media format or even by email or anything else, but what kind of guidance do you give? Because I can imagine somebody going on a walk right now or a hike and they’re out with the dog and they’re thinking, yep, I hope he asks that because that’s a question that I have for my own family or from my friends.

Sara Barratt (19:34):
Yeah. Yes. It is so difficult to know how to respond because every situation is individual. It comes with its own context. It comes with its own background and it’s really just its own individual struggles. But a few overall things that I always encourage parents that are dealing with this to one, to create a safe place that it’s all right for your child, your teenager to come to you with these struggles, it’s a good thing if they come to you with these struggles.

Don’t automatically freak out if they come to you saying, “Mom, I think I’m gay or transgender.” Allow that safe place for them to be able to process that with you, to be able to talk about it with you. If they come to you and they don’t receive that safety net of, “This is something I can talk about with my parents,” then they will automatically retreat, they’ll pull back, they’ll go to someone else.

(20:36):
So allow them to come to you, allow them to talk about it. Ask them really good questions like, “What has made you think this? What other things in your life are contributing to this, do you think? What are you listening to, watching? Who else have you told? Who else is affirming this in your life?” Ask good questions, try to get to the root of how it came about, the things that have led to this moment in time where your child thinks that they’re a different gender or sexuality.

So create that safe place, that environment where you can just talk about it, discuss things with them and continue to point them ultimately to Jesus even more than you continue to point them to a biblical view of sexuality because what your teen needs above anything else is Jesus Christ. They need the gospel. They need Jesus to change and work in their heart and for the Holy Spirit to do that work of transformation in them because Jesus and the Holy Spirit can convince your teen of the truth way better than you can.

(21:45):
So continue to point them to the truth of Jesus as well as the truth of what the Bible says about sexuality. Yes, do relate and do talk about what the word of God says and what is true is regards or gender and sexuality, but keep the gospel foremost and central.

And then lastly, pray for them so much. Pray for them consistently. Pray that God would do that work in them. Pray that they would become uncomfortable in sin and would choose to live in holiness. Pray that they would just have a desire to know the truth, to know Jesus Christ and that the work that all the other voices that they’re hearing would be drowned out by the voice of truth, by the voice of God’s word. So those are the top three things. There’s so many other things that parents could do, but those are the three ones that I always encourage and try to keep center.

Dr. Jeff Myers (22:47):
Yeah. And I can remember those and I can apply those that you want to keep the relationship going. You want to create a safe place, not safe like safe spaces on campus where you’re safe from thinking, but safe to think and to talk about what’s going on.

And then second, to continually point them toward Jesus because that’s at the core. I was really struck by what you said that more than a biblical understanding of gender, they need Jesus and that with that relationship with Jesus, the Holy Spirit begins to guide them into the truth. Yes. Yeah. And then third is just constant prayer. Yeah. Yes. Is it similar when a young person reaches out to you? Is it similar advice that you give?

Sara Barratt (23:40):
I do encourage ultimately, well, I kind of, I guess you could say, take on the role of parent in that where I want to point them to Jesus. I want to point them to the gospel. Yes, I want to communicate the truth. I want to communicate a biblical view of gender and sexuality to them, but just point them to Christ and pray for them and listen to them, hear their questions, hear their struggles, hear what’s brought them to this point.

And then when it is someone that is actually struggling with that themselves, it’s a little bit harder because you are reaching into a very sensitive place in their hearts, maybe something that they are just newly struggling with or they’re still trying to understand it themselves or there’s a lot more to consider there.

But again, I’m just so encouraged that the Holy Spirit and the gospel is really what will do the work there. So just continually, to point them to Christ and to share the truth and to really know that our job in communicating to them is not to convince them of a perspective. Our job is not to make them believe at the end of our conversation something, but really to point them to what is true to, I’ve heard it said, just put a stone in their shoe.

(25:08):
Something that they can think about and then let God do the work through the Holy Spirit in letting that seed grow, the seeds that you planted, let those things grow. And so just having compassion in those interactions, compassion and understanding, as well as a solid grounding on the word of God, that’s the perfect, not an easy balance, but the perfect balance for these conversations.

Dr. Jeff Myers (25:41):
I think this is so good. Your book, again, is Stand Up, Stand Strong and Sara Barratt, thank you. This has been a fun conversation. I’d love to continue more about the book, but I just got this curiosity about being a writer. And of course, I love to write. I think maybe I love to teach and therefore I write as part of being a teacher, but I’m just really curious to meet other authors and find out what inspires them. And I have this sense, just as we were talking about just before the show, that there are a lot of people thinking, “I might have a book in me.”

And I’m curious how you approach that. One thing I’ve actually found myself saying to someone, I don’t know if this is good advice or not, it just came to my head. I said, “Do you feel strongly enough about this book that you would write it even if you knew that no one would ever read it?” In other words, this is something that you, not only that you can do, but that you cannot not do because in the process of writing a book, you’re going to feel some pain and you need to.

Sara Barratt (26:44):
That is the truth.

Dr. Jeff Myers (26:45):
You need to have a core motivation that gets you through that. Anyway, it’s fun to talk to a fellow author and I’m curious what the writing process is like for you, what it’s like to write a book, what you would say to somebody who thinks that might be something they would like to do as well.

Sara Barratt (27:05):
Well, the word that first comes to mind when you ask, what is it like to write a book is it’s grueling. It is hard work. Yes. It is very hard work. But like I said at the beginning, writing was never my childhood dream. It was never something that I really planned on doing. So God surprised me with leading me to writing. My sister is actually a writer as well. So I was very familiar with the writing industry, with what it was like to write a book. I knew it was hard work. I knew it was a big job, but as I was writing article after article and honing my writing skills, like I said, I had this book idea.

My first book idea was actually not my first book, Love Riot. It was a different idea, which I am so thankful now that did not happen because looking back, it was not a good idea, but God was gracious with that idea, led me to my agent and started the whole process for me.

(28:11):
But as I began writing Love Riot, eventually, as that was contracted, again, I look back and I see my early attempts at writing a book and I’m now thankful for editors because they helped strengthen that one so much because I was testing the waters. I was figuring it all out there with that first book, never having done it before.

But looking back from the lessons I learned from that and now having written a second book, you have to have, like you said, a passion for the topic first because that will spur you on on those days when I said I wanted to throw my computer out the window and never look at the book again. It will help you in those hard writing days and writing seasons. So having a passion for it, doing your research ahead of time was critical for me, especially with the second book.

(29:14):
It’s such a research heavy topic that you need to have. You need to know what you’re writing about in order to write about it. And that might sound simplistic, but I think it’s sometimes maybe a step that we forget about a little bit. We have a passion for it, but not necessarily the knowledge that we need to actually communicate it.

So getting that down and then also just having a plan, like having it all. I had a notebook when I would write each chapter where I would just scribble every idea that I had for that chapter. I would write sections like, “Okay, I want to cover this or here’s my sources for this.” I would even write parts of it down by hand in this notebook. So I did the rough work in the notebook, and then I could transfer it onto the screen and type it all out in hopefully a somewhat finished product.

(30:11):
But that was sort of my process and I’ve learned so much. I’m sure if I wrote another book, I would do some things differently. It’s something that you learn and grow, you evolve as you do it. But yeah, it is a grueling process for sure.

Dr. Jeff Myers (30:26):
And not to mention that when you get the book written the way you think it really comes together, an editor gets ahold of it.

Sara Barratt (30:36):
Oh yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (30:37):
Oh yes. The stories of editors, that was my favorite passage in the entire book. I can’t believe you want me to take it out. Yeah.

Sara Barratt (30:49):
Oh yes. That’s happened to me before too. It has. I know why I wrote it that way, don’t you?

Dr. Jeff Myers (30:56):
Yeah, right.

Sara Barratt (30:57):
Right. Apparently not.

Dr. Jeff Myers (30:58):
Yeah. Oh, that’s good. Well, I get that question a lot too. And sometimes I think people are asking just generally about the idea of, what is it like to write a book. Some people are actually asking, what is the actual process that you go through? So I’m grateful that you shared your idea about the notebook. I’m a manila folder guy. I’ll actually take things from my journal. If I have an idea, I mean, I’m journaling a lot. I’m hearing a speaker and I always put in, if I have an idea while I’m listening to another speaker, I put my idea in brackets so that I know that it’s mine and not theirs.

(31:35):
And then I will eventually get onto a computer and write all those things down in a Word document. I literally print it out and then slice it up into little slices with every little idea. And then I have my folders for what I think the chapters of the book are going to be. And I just put little things in there. So when I’m ready to write the book, I can pull them out, organize them, kind of tape them all together. And that sort of is my outline. I don’t know anybody else who does it that way, but that’s how it works for me.

Sara Barratt (32:06):
Oh, that is fascinating. I don’t know anyone else who does it that way either, but whatever process works for you, really, that’s a part of it, is figuring out the process that works for you the best.

Dr. Jeff Myers (32:18):
Yeah. Yeah. It’s helpful to me to think of ideas outside of my head and to imagine them as just discreet concepts that do all come together. It’s like a puzzle if I can make it all happen.

Sara Barratt (32:32):
Yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (32:32):
Well, thank you for answering that question.That may not be one of the typical interview questions that you’re getting as you are out there talking about the book, but I think that’s super helpful. And you mentioned having an agent, which I think is really important as well. That’s somebody out there who can say, I think your platform and the book idea you have has traction or not. They can be honest with you and help you avoid this sense of I sent my book idea off to 29 different publishers and nobody responded kind of thing.

Sara Barratt (33:05):
Yes. Having an agent is critical in the publishing process. If you actually do want to seek to be published with a traditional publisher, my agent has not been afraid to tell me if something needs work. And I’m grateful for that because I would rather my agent tell me that than a publisher tell me that.

Dr. Jeff Myers (33:22):
Right. Yes. Yeah. Because they can only do so many books a year. They know that of all the books they do, some of them are going to make money and some of them are going to lose money. So every new project is a risk and agents tend to understand what different publishers are looking for.

Sara Barratt (33:41):
Yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (33:42):
Yeah.

Sara Barratt (33:42):
Yes.

Dr. Jeff Myers (33:42):
Oh, that’s cool. Well, I really wish you the best with the book. I know we’ve got it at Summit Ministries. I was telling you before the show that our students at our summit camp in Kentucky all received a copy. It was a gift from the organization that was helping to co-sponsor the event.

Sara Barratt (34:00):
Well, that just absolutely made my day. Such an encouragement to actually hear it getting into the hands of young people like that. And that is so encouraging to me.

Dr. Jeff Myers (34:11):
Well, Sarah, thank you. Thanks for Stand Up, Stand Strong, and thank you for being one who will stand up and stand strong, and leading your generation. I just wish you the best and I just want you to know I’m cheering for you.

Sara Barratt (34:22):
Thank you so much. I so appreciate that. And I’m so grateful for your work and all that you do in training and equipping us as young people. I love the work of Summit so much, and I’m just so grateful for everything that you do. It’s so needed. And same to you. Keep up the amazing work and thank you.

Dr. Jeff Myers (34:43):
Thank you. Thank you to my guest today, Sara Barratt, for coming on the program. You can find her new book, Stand Up, Stand Strong at sarabarratt.com. And you’ve got to spell Barratt correctly. B-A-R-R-A-T-T. So it’s S-A-R-A is Sara, and then Barratt, B-A-R-R-A-T-T.com. You can also follow her on Twitter @SaraEBarratt. The Psalm reminds us how can young people keep their way pure by guarding it according to your word. Sara’s writing and resources can help do that. Fresh voice, wonderful interview. Thank you so much for joining us and we’ll see you next week.

Ryan Dobson (35:26):
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